New summoner is unacceptable

[Melorie]

So the OP could've shortened this down to "how dare Squeenix make SMN more useable by filthy casuals!!".

Every class is useable for casuals though. You can clear every single casual content without ever thinking about your rotation. I have done expert roulette with smn without phoenix-bahamuth (not proud of this hah) and no one ever batted an eye.
And just because you play the game casually doesn't really mean that something having a bit more of room for optimization and actually make your brain think is bad. Personally, I hardly do savage/extreme and I despise this type of narrative.

[Rolder50]

There was no reason for Summoner to be as convoluted as it was. I played SMN as my main job during Shadowbringers and I really prefer how it plays so far in Endwalker.

There was also no reason for them to see the convolution and decide to take an axe to the whole thing and make it probably the simplest job in the game.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Summoner was BAD before 6.0.

Now it's fun and enjoyable.

[MsQi]

And emerald carbuncle still isn't green!

[Rin_Kuroi]

Summoner was BAD before 6.0.

Now it's fun and enjoyable.

Where are people getting this idea? SMN was the best caster in shadowbringer. I'm saying this as a filthy casual that hasn't stepped foot in savage/ultimate in two expacs.

[Vahlnir]

Where are people getting this idea? SMN was the best caster in shadowbringer. I'm saying this as a filthy casual that hasn't stepped foot in savage/ultimate in two expacs.

[Issaella]

You know what after stewing on this for a day and half and not even bothering to log in today I've come to a conclusion. There is no point in complaining because a) it's been stated they don't even look at the US forums so why bother, b) they aren't going to make any mechanical changes mid-expansion, c) at best we will see numbers tuning sometime within the next year. At this point it's a gangrenous limb that needs to be cut off because all it's doing is festering and poisoning everything else about the game. I'm done with it, I'm deleting the gearset and I'll just have to find another DPS job that is worth playing. If I can work up the motivation to log in some time in the next week.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Where are people getting this idea? SMN was the best caster in shadowbringer. I'm saying this as a filthy casual that hasn't stepped foot in savage/ultimate in two expacs.

They were not fun to play.

Now they are.

[Jadedsins]

This is all subjective. Just know that summoner clearly was not fine, because they changed it. Not enough people played it and all that. So they listen to feedback and now more people enjoy it.


Does it step on the toes of some of the people who enjoyed that dot play style and liked the old summoner? Sure, but that is the price the company willing to pay to get more people to play the class.

[MaelleRiou]

They were not fun to play.

Now they are.

It's way too basic and simple to be any fun now.