"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Kozh]

Ugh, this response may get deleted, but we'll see.

Speaking of insensitivity, I feel like people can be too sensitive sometimes (on both sides). Like the comparison you mention. First of all, any serious comparison would fail because they are two different circumstances. But generally speaking, it seems to me the comparison is about treating a certain group of people as, not people, but a means for a so-called superior race of beings to thrive. In that sense, the comparison is valid.

But, of course, people don't like to be associated with real life public enemy, and so emotion and sensitivity comes into the mix. Fair enough, as I also think people who prefer Emet's side can and should defend their positions. It could make an interesting discussion, but we can't ignore the moral issue, so emotions would be there.

Wrong. It's invalid because:
1) one group is real human, and the other is just a bunch of pixels.
2) idc about "superior race" or anything like that. I just care more about emet. Though to be fair to you, I didn't mention about this in my previous comments. I do however already explained it during the debate in reddit, and they didn't even try to understand my point.

[linayar]

They aren't really new. They've been in use in the same context since as far back as Legion, which was actually still a time of success for WoW.



I see them used as insults pretty frequently, usually as a way to explain why someone is playing poorly. I've even been called a WoW refugee nonsensically a bunch of times, usually when someone gets angry in a prog or learning party. One time I had a healer in a dungeon get extremely angry that I was pulling big and "facing my back towards the mobs" as a tank, and they proceeded to repeatedly and baselessly accuse me of being a WoW refugee and went on a rant for the entire remainder of the dungeon about how all WoW players are stupid. I've seen similar things happen to friends; if you browse r/talesfromDF you'll see it fairly frequently in both the posts themselves, and the comments. A lot of the time when someone recounts a negative experience in a dungeon, people will immediately start saying things like "must have been a WoW refugee".

Well, all I can say is I've never even seen the term until last year. If it existed before, then it existed among fewer people, which supports the correlation with how many people from WoW publicly trying out FFXIV and even identifying themselves as a refugee.

It's not normal to repeatedly imply someone is stupid because they're struggling to register a code and think the mogstation UI could be improved. Some 14 players tend to be so ardent in their defense of the game as a whole, that they'll take bizarrely aggressive stances defending against extremely minor, and honestly well-founded quibbles and criticisms about certain aspects of the game. The Mog-station thing is just one example of many I've seen over the years.

Yeah, to be honest, this is just not a good example for me because it's not a problem I ever had. I agree in principle that it can be improved upon, but that's how I feel generally about everything. People comparing it to a Savage boss in difficulty (for example), however, is just not something I'd resonate with, even if I understand the joke.

"WoW bad, FFXIV good" isn't just some random thing someone made up to assail FFXIV. It's a humorous statement about community attitudes that came about because a lot of people started collectively picking up on what was going on.

Humorous or not, at the end of the day, it's just as dismissive as thinking players who play a certain way is a WoW refugee (unless they admitted it).

Wrong. It's invalid because:
1) one group is real human, and the other is just a bunch of pixels.

It may be invalid to classify you as such in real life, but without knowing further why you support Emet, it can be valid to say that you support the in-game equivalent.