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    And this thread proves why this game has an obscure side to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunalepsy View Post
    And this thread proves why this game has an obscure side to it.
    This thread just proves it's always the loud ones that draw the bad attention in any kind of fan base.
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    I don't have much time but;
    not a single person aside from you has mentioned that the OP has edited their post to contain a different message than it does now, please provide proof of your statement that others have noticed it, too, or better yet, tell us what the OP originally posted

    note that the OP also said "and arguments" both times which clearly showed to everyone with a bit of reading comprehension that they don't want to insult people without repercussions or reasons, instead it being about, quoting the OP again, "If someone has done something wrong, no matter how petty one may perceive it no one is allowed to be critical."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    I don't have much time but;
    not a single person aside from you has mentioned that the OP has edited their post to contain a different message than it does now, please provide proof of your statement that others have noticed it, too, or better yet, tell us what the OP originally posted

    note that the OP also said "and arguments" both times which clearly showed to everyone with a bit of reading comprehension that they don't want to insult people without repercussions or reasons, instead it being about, quoting the OP again, "If someone has done something wrong, no matter how petty one may perceive it no one is allowed to be critical."
    I believe the burden of proof is on you since you are the one calling me a liar. Please check page 18 comments about edits and beyond that posts being removed. Then someone said they doubted it was edited but in the same breath said the first post was posted at the same time as the edit. Omg so the OP edited before the first post how many people read his original post before it was edited I don't know and frankly don't care but YOU calling me a liar I do care about. I have no reason to LIE, personally I have my own moral standards if you don't like it I could care less. Seems to me you don't know the difference between being critical and being rude. They are not equal. I don't know what your problem is and it's your own problem not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    I believe the burden of proof is on you since you are the one calling me a liar. Please check page 18 comments about edits and beyond that posts being removed.
    LOL
    that posts and subsequent ones were about mods deleting multiple pages of discussion for literally no reason, that's what the poster is talking about, nice attempt at deflection, though
    you'd have known had you actually read the posts and not just quickly skimmed the pages ctrl+f'ing for the word edit

    and no, the burden of proof is on you because you said the OP edited their post to be less inflammatory and 'wanting to be able to freely insult people' as you have said

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    Then someone said they doubted it was edited but in the same breath said the first post was posted at the same time as the edit.
    yeah it was edited, I never said it wasn't, but if it had said what you're insisting it said, it would've gotten a completely different response by the people that saw the """real""" post, so what's your point here


    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    Omg so the OP edited before the first post how many people read his original post before it was edited I don't know and frankly don't care but YOU calling me a liar I do care about. I have no reason to LIE, personally I have my own moral standards if you don't like it I could care less. Seems to me you don't know the difference between being critical and being rude. They are not equal. I don't know what your problem is and it's your own problem not mine.
    don't lie then? I don't know why people lie and I frankly don't care either, but I know that you decided that, for whatever reason, you were going to make an inflammatory post about the OP about something that could be easily be proven wrong to appear as a good person, at least that's my guess
    I have my own standards, too, which is why I don't like liars and hypocrites (this was basically the topic that got removed and talked about at page 18 FYI)
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    I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why this is a bad thing? Don't got nothing nice to say don't say anything at all in the game. Why is that a problem? Why must you feel the need to argue about something in a video game? We are not competing, and having a bad group is not that big of a deal.

    And if you want to "argue' you can do it outside the game through discord or whatever chat consoles people have with people.

    The point is, even if you consider it a fake kindness, that is better than what wow and new world is going through right now. So I will gladly take harsh enforce rules and people just not talking over that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedsins View Post
    I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why this is a bad thing? Don't got nothing nice to say don't say anything at all in the game. Why is that a problem? Why must you feel the need to argue about something in a video game? We are not competing, and having a bad group is not that big of a deal.

    And if you want to "argue' you can do it outside the game through discord or whatever chat consoles people have with people.

    The point is, even if you consider it a fake kindness, that is better than what wow and new world is going through right now. So I will gladly take harsh enforce rules and people just not talking over that.
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Cheers !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Cheers !
    Ah, the essential liberty to swear like a sailor at that one dude who Cure spammed you. If you want your freedom of speech, remember to take with it a side salad of consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Cheers !
    I think that there is a difference between saying that someone can't have an opinion, and between expecting a base level of respect.

    The problem with just letting people run loose on the internet is that you end up with people who are completely deranged and unhinged hijacking it.
    You get a handful of extremely toxic people who just spam and take over the whole thing and then any normal person just ends up not talking.
    Sometimes some peoples freedoms actually compromises the freedom of other people.

    To me this is like not letting people take a dump in the street.
    Yes it's a limitation on your freedom, but I think that we can basically all agree that we don't want the streets to smell like shit.

    The issue is that people who are really toxic just bring the entire thing down.
    If you have a group of five people and everyone is having fun and getting along and then one just starts lashing out it brings the entire thing down for the other four.
    Why is that one person ranting more important than the four having a good time?

    It brings down the entire atmosphere for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I think that there is a difference between saying that someone can't have an opinion, and between expecting a base level of respect.

    The problem with just letting people run loose on the internet is that you end up with people who are completely deranged and unhinged hijacking it.
    You get a handful of extremely toxic people who just spam and take over the whole thing and then any normal person just ends up not talking.
    Sometimes some peoples freedoms actually compromises the freedom of other people.

    To me this is like not letting people take a dump in the street.
    Yes it's a limitation on your freedom, but I think that we can basically all agree that we don't want the streets to smell like shit.

    The issue is that people who are really toxic just bring the entire thing down.
    If you have a group of five people and everyone is having fun and getting along and then one just starts lashing out it brings the entire thing down for the other four.
    Why is that one person ranting more important than the four having a good time?

    It brings down the entire atmosphere for everyone.
    Wow finally something more than "i'm so happy i got fake ppl around me yay".
    Only problem i have with your mindset is that, as usual, toxicity only means "being mean" which is a very narrow way to see this whole stuff.
    And the group thing will always depend of what kind of person is in that group, 3 terrible players and 1 skilled one, if the skilled one say something he's toxic.
    3 skilled player that want to down it fast, last guy that keeps dying again and again and cries if the 3 others says something to this person, is the one dying toxic or that's the majority that expect the bare minimum from him ?
    Pretty sure you will say the 3 skilled while in this group the one ruining the fun here is the unskilled one.
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