Baffling behavior

[Drkdays]

So, you didn't use cooldowns then?

Do you really need cooldowns for one pack of mobs if the healer is actually healing...?

Here I thought healing was too easy, healers WANT to heal but there is never enough damage done to heal, one heal cast per pack, etc...yet the tank died twice before the first boss and before anyone else?

The conclusion seems clear.

[Lexis]

Do you really need cooldowns for one pack of mobs if the healer is actually healing...?

Here I thought healing was too easy, healers WANT to heal but there is never enough damage done to heal, one heal cast per pack, etc...yet the tank died twice before the first boss and before anyone else?

The conclusion seems clear.

Sounds like you skipped over the post and subsequent discussion. The tank died because they're massively undergeared for the duty and their HP melts within a handful of seconds. They fully admit to this, along with not using cooldowns to even help mitigate the damage, yet it's still somehow the healer's fault for not having split second reaction time to carry a paper tank through the dungeon?

Healers do want something to heal, something meaningful to heal. They don't want to frantically spam heals on the one tank just to keep them alive through single pack pulls. Not only is that dull, it's incredibly inefficient as well, since they can't even help dps down the mobs.

[Drkdays]

Sounds like you skipped over the post and subsequent discussion. The tank died because they're massively undergeared for the duty and their HP melts within a handful of seconds. They fully admit to this, along with not using cooldowns to even help mitigate the damage, yet it's still somehow the healer's fault for not having split second reaction time to carry a paper tank through the dungeon?

Healers do want something to heal, something meaningful to heal. They don't want to frantically spam heals on the one tank just to keep them alive through single pack pulls. Not only is that dull, it's incredibly inefficient as well, since they can't even help dps down the mobs.

Sounds like you skipped over conversation. Min ilv for a duty required was noted as was his death to a single pack of mobs, as was the healer pushing dps when he and others were low health.

[MikkoAkure]

Sounds like you skipped over conversation. Min ilv for a duty required was noted as was his death to a single pack of mobs, as was the healer pushing dps when he and others were low health.

Not sure it counts as "pushing DPS" when the OP himself said that he died in 2 seconds in "half a button press". If the OP doesn't have enough time to cast a cooldown before he's tanking the floor, then his healer doesn't have enough time to heal. He paradoxically says that he doesn't have "hyperspeed" in order to react fast enough to prevent damage, while at the same time accusing the healer of not healing him.

Mind you, it wasnt 3 mobs or groups. It was 3 dudes. Not 3 sets of 3 or 4 guys. Just 3. In the span of 2 seconds, my life gets melted, healer was just negligent. Im glad im not crazy and many others here understand that healers can just be bad.

Considering he was able to eventually do it with a different group, it's possible he was exaggerating for effect, but that still doesn't change the fact that his next healer would have had to babysit him through the dungeon with a magical IV bag and unless you're a masochist, that's not exactly fun and engaging healer content.

[Lexis]

Sounds like you skipped over conversation. Min ilv for a duty required was noted as was his death to a single pack of mobs, as was the healer pushing dps when he and others were low health.

Please. Read. The. Previous. Comments.

I have repeated this so many times because people can't be bothered to read it :/ The OP's gear was so low for the duty that their HP would absolutely MELT (by the OP's own admission, this is not me or anyone else making assumptions). They died twice because the only way to keep them alive through single pulls was to pre-cast heals and then spam those green buttons like there's no tomorrow. And, the cherry on the sundae, the OP then lashed out at the HEALER for not having the split second timing to heal their severely undergeared derrière through the entire dungeon. And in case you skipped over that, they were tanking with healing and DPS trinkets, so they only met the Minimum Ilvl by cheating the system with gear that contributes very little towards their tanking stats.

If you acknowledge and understand all of the above and still believe OP was in the right and the healer was at fault, then let's just say we don't agree on what constitutes proper dungeon etiquette and leave it at that.

[Drkdays]

I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die?

Please. Read. The. Previous. Comments.

Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He shoulda pulled more. He shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull. He should have discussed how he was going to tank. Healer are supposed to dps, brah! If the tank was too weak to allow healers to dps then the tank is bad!"

Conclusion: Healers can do no wrong in FF14.

[Lexis]

Healer fell asleep that second pull?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He should pulled more. he shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull."

Conclusion: Healer can do no wrong in FF14.

/facepalm.

I tried. You're not even reading the few sentences I typed out. I give up. Believe what you will. :/

[Drkdays]

/facepalm.

I tried. You're not even reading the few sentences I typed out. I give up. Believe what you will. :/

Yes I did. I'm not illiterate, I just think you're wrong. From everything I've read, the healer dropped the ball and blamed the tank. Tank blaming is way easier than healer blaming because the tank already has so much responsibility. If the tank dies, he was too weak, or he pulled badly, or he didn't use C/Ds, or he failed mechanics, etc... it could never be the healer's fault, right? Healer couldn't have known to use shields, or hots, or aoe stun, or even rescue. It was just the tank's failure.

For the first death, sure, a simple mistake. They all ran ahead and the tank floundered. Np, just as he said. It happens. But that second death? When the healer has had a chance to view gear, and plan ahead at least a bit, and he still died?

C'mon now. Even the wrong accessories have vitality on them.

[Sebazy]

Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He shoulda pulled more. He shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull. He should have discussed how he was going to tank. Healer are supposed to dps, brah! If the tank was too weak to allow healers to dps then the tank is bad!"

Conclusion: Healers can do no wrong in FF14.

Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.

[Drkdays]

Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.

What an odd thing to say. I love healing classes and find it the most thrilling and challenging thing you can do. So much personal responsibility! Not towards the dungeons so much as towards the party. If the tank dies, naturally it can be attributed to how they perform, and yes, gear, but his life is always in the healer's hands.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who plays a healer, which comes with a correspondingly high set of standards.

I read so many complaints about how healers have it too easy, but this healer totally failed to rise to the challenge, and worse, apparently just gave up even trying.

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.