Baffling behavior

[Liam_Harper]

Its funny how you have this neat little narrative set up and on the same breath say, you cant say for sure. Thats such a waste of time to even comment if you're going to negate your own point.

All I said was we can't be sure, which is absolutely correct. I was saying you can't be accused of anything definite, because we weren't there to see what happened. You're the one who reacted defensively to that without even reading what I said. If you act the same way in dungeon groups, well...

[Mimilu]

Reading this and looking at your character's GNB level and gear, I have to wonder a few things about the situation:
-Did you use your cooldowns properly? In XIV, especially in dungeons, knowing how to rotate through your cooldowns is very important to prosper as a tank. Unless you know a big hit is coming and the ability in question won't be off cooldown for it, you should be rotating through your tanking cooldowns when they're needed.
-Is your gear maybe too low level (you're currently level 69 wearing the level 60 gear you get from the GNB quest)?

And something important to note about healer culture in XIV; In XIV the fights are so scripted the need to keep someone at 100% HP at all times incase of random damage-spikes just isn't a thing. A veteran healer will generally heal you when they think you won't survive the next hit. This extends to dungeons as well.

[Necrogen]

Reading this and looking at your character's GNB level and gear, I have to wonder a few things about the situation:
-Did you use your cooldowns properly? In XIV, especially in dungeons, knowing how to rotate through your cooldowns is very important to prosper as a tank. Unless you know a big hit is coming and the ability in question won't be off cooldown for it, you should be rotating through your tanking cooldowns when they're needed.
-Is your gear maybe too low level (you're currently level 69 wearing the level 60 gear you get from the GNB quest)?

And something important to note about healer culture in XIV; In XIV the fights are so scripted the need to keep someone at 100% HP at all times incase of random damage-spikes just isn't a thing. A veteran healer will generally heal you when they think you won't survive the next hit. This extends to dungeons as well.

You didnt read the many times i clarified the situation. This situation happened in the span of 2 seconds. A half button press and stubborn team mates.

To respond about "healing culture"? This isn't about healing culture, this is a team mate not complying and didnt perform heals. Its nothinf to overthink and complicate. I had some bad teammates, thats all. Im just explaining that i experienced people like this.

[LittleImp]

You didnt read the many times i clarified the situation. This situation happened in the span of 2 seconds. A half button press and stubborn team mates.

To respond about "healing culture"? This isn't about healing culture, this is a team mate not complying and didnt perform heals. Its nothinf to overthink and complicate. I had some bad teammates, thats all. Im just explaining that i experienced people like this.

You were almost certainly kicked for having bad gear while blaming the healer for being unable to keep you alive. The gear you're currently wearing on your Lodestone isn't even that great at level 60, much less the 69 dungeon which hits fairly hard.

For comparison, the Outriders Coat has 474 defense. The Xenobian Surcoat, which drops in that dungeon, has 868 defense. The armor from the previous dungeon has 739 defense.

[Necrogen]

You were almost certainly kicked for having bad gear while blaming the healer for being unable to keep you alive. The gear you're currently wearing on your Lodestone isn't even that great at level 60, much less the 69 dungeon which hits fairly hard.

For comparison, the Outriders Coat has 474 defense. The Xenobian Surcoat, which drops in that dungeon, has 868 defense. The armor from the previous dungeon has 739 defense.

You want to know how much of that response was BS? I completed it with another group, with the same gear.

So, ball is in your court again. Whats the next excuse?

[LittleImp]

You want to know how much of that response was BS? I completed it with another group, with the same gear.

So, ball is in your court again. Whats the next excuse?

This is the same excuse that every under-geared tank likes to trot out.

If you are single pulling, or requiring the healer to constantly heal you, you aren't actually tanking. You could be replaced by a DPS. In fact, many properly geared DPS actually have more defense stat than you do at that level.


The only baffling behavior in this thread is the sheer level of arrogance it took for you to not only fail to consider that you were the problem, but to go on to ragepost a thread about it and try to make a public spectacle of it.

[Mimilu]

You didnt read the many times i clarified the situation. This situation happened in the span of 2 seconds. A half button press and stubborn team mates.

To respond about "healing culture"? This isn't about healing culture, this is a team mate not complying and didnt perform heals. Its nothinf to overthink and complicate. I had some bad teammates, thats all. Im just explaining that i experienced people like this.

I did read and those facts just don't add up to me.
You died with in 2 seconds of a pull? Judging based on your character's lodestone profile, I would have to guess that your gear was too low level then. Like I said, you're wearing the gear from the GNB quest, which you should of probably looked into replacing the first chance you could. Even the level 61 dungeon's gear has better stats then it. (Most people would use the Augmented Shire gear, which last them to when better gear comes at level 65).
I would have to say that you were the liability in the situation. A healer can't keep someone who can't take more then one auto-attack, even if they spammed healed them. If you want everyone to be able to perform their job, you need to do yours, which for a tank includes having gear that won't make you a sitting duck.

[MikkoAkure]

You didnt read the many times i clarified the situation. This situation happened in the span of 2 seconds. A half button press and stubborn team mates.

To respond about "healing culture"? This isn't about healing culture, this is a team mate not complying and didnt perform heals. Its nothinf to overthink and complicate. I had some bad teammates, thats all. Im just explaining that i experienced people like this.

If you were unable to activate a cooldown in the brief time it took for you to die, then how would the healer be expected to heal in that time as well? Looking at your gear, you seem to be very under-geared and it seems like you might have been able to scoot along before, but now that you're at the level 69 dungeon things got real and now the mobs are able to hit you much harder. The tank shouldn't be taking that much damage that fast from that tiny number of mobs. You may want to update your gear on your GNB and try again.

For example, the body piece you're wearing has 474 defense on it. If you were up-to-date on your gear, your body piece could have 804 defense. That's a 330 defense loss from just 1 piece of equipment. Fully updating everything including your accessories will give you the defense and HP needed to complete the dungeon smoother.

[Necrogen]

If you were unable to activate a cooldown in the brief time it took for you to die, then how would the healer be expected to heal in that time as well? Looking at your gear, you seem to be very under-geared and it seems like you might have been able to scoot along before, but now that you're at the level 69 dungeon things got real and now the mobs are able to hit you much harder. The tank shouldn't be taking that much damage that fast from that tiny number of mobs. You may want to update your gear on your GNB and try again.

For example, the body piece you're wearing has 474 defense on it. If you were up-to-date on your gear, your body piece could have 804 defense. That's a 330 defense loss from just 1 piece of equipment. Fully updating everything including your accessories will give you the defense and HP needed to complete the dungeon smoother.

Ive done it before with no issues. I wont disagree about my gear. Im not asking for a carry. Im saying that after communicating i needed heals, i never got them. they wished to argue and ended the encounter.

Like look, im going to lose sleep over it as ive completed it with others. I just wanted to share how unreasonable people can be. Though it is rare. Im about to hit 70 today and i have the Ilvl 400 Bought and waiting. Im halfway.

[MintnHoney]

Ive done it before with no issues. I wont disagree about my gear. Im not asking for a carry. Im saying that after communicating i needed heals, i never got them. they wished to argue and ended the encounter.

Like look, im going to lose sleep over it as ive completed it with others. I just wanted to share how unreasonable people can be. Though it is rare. Im about to hit 70 today and i have the Ilvl 400 Bought and waiting. Im halfway.

As a healer main who's instinctually drawn to charity case tanks, I'm immediately drawn to you (which is not a good thing).
While you're not directly asking for a carry, you're technically demanding it by choosing not to prepare for your encounters (your gear is very insufficient), not taking the initiative to use CDs prior to taking the lethal 2 seconds of damage from the small group of 3 enemies running up to play patty-cake against your moth-eaten chest, and then trying to push the blame onto the healer for not spending every cooldown, and off-globals, using their strongest potency heals to keep you standing there until you decide "it's time to do something about it." Most healers are actually too polite to say anything when a tank is not pulling their weight, and will generally just deal with you while justifying it by saying "at least now I get to use my full kit" but it's absolutely not wrong for someone to expect you to be able to hold your own and votekick you if they don't believe you can.

You definitely did share how unreasonable people can be, but it's not looking the way you wanted it to.