every newly released dungeon I've played since I started had people wall to walling them, only if the tanks/healers ability/gear (which is on them, not the dungeons themselves) weren't up to par/average skill the pulls would STILL be double pullsThis right here is a perfect example of what I meant about expectations. That a double pull is what you consider normal in a dungeon at min ilvl is not right. When you run dungeons when an expansion first comes out, most people are doing single pulls until were able to out gear it.
almost every sprout tank that does whatever dungeon for the first time pulls double at the very least, though most of them are wall to walling as well, with the single pulling tanks barely existing
you got unlucky I guess, but single pulls are most definitely not the norm when it comes to new dungeons, even if gear just barely qualifies and isn't ilvl cheesed like the OPs is
lolmao
Last edited by Rinhi; 11-18-2021 at 05:41 AM.


I'd just like to post a reminder, for clarity's sake, that the OP is using a Healer and a DPS accessory which does bump his ilvl up to meet the requirement, yet contributes little to his actual 'tankiness'. The minimum Ilvl isn't necessarily the issue here, it's the use of inappropriate accessories to cheat said Minimum Ilvl system into letting him queue for higher level dungeons.




I've read this thread before I went to bed, thinking about pointing out the possibility of having an outdated gears but sleepiness took over me so I thought about coming back the next day...
Turns out I'm dead wrong; they're deceptively geared for the duty.
Feelsbadman, been called out like that.The "I've done this before" is a pathetic excuse. If any that excuse gives your party more reason to vote you out.


That’s fair. You’re entitled to your opinion. However OP did say that he completed the dungeon with another party. We have no idea how fast or slow it was. I’m just saying I always check just to gauge how I’m going to focus and I don’t think that’s an issue.You can buy level appropriate gear from vendors for a very reasonable amount of gil. There is simply no excuse for a tank to show up in a lvl 69 dungeon wearing lvl 60 gear (with stats that arent't even appropriate for tanking to boot). That's not teamwork on the tank's part, it's laziness.
Plus, having gear so terrible your healer can do nothing but heal spam you through single pulls just to keep the party going slows things down considerably. The healer can't contribute much dps and the tank isn't doing anywhere near the damage they should either.
It's just inconsiderate behavior to expect others to pick up your slack like that. Even more so if you, like OP, are going to berate the group as you do so. It's one thing to be ignorant and another to be willfully entitled.
Remember the 73 dungeon at the beginning of Shadowbringers and the level 79 dungeon? I honestly had tanks in level 70 left side gear all the way and yeah had to do a little bit more healing but it wasn’t to a point where I was spamming. I was still playing mostly how I usually play. I think people jumped on the gear wagon once someone brought up his lodestone profile. Just shows people are mostly followers.
I empathize with OP. If I was his healer I would of never done what the team did to him. He’s the tank. He sets the pace of the dungeon. He even said he saw them moving forward and went along happily. I know some tanks who are like “You grab it you tank it” people need to understand it’s a team effort. If he is the tank and he’s keeping aggro that’s what’s important. Work as a team to get the dungeon done. Simple. Don’t make things harder.
We know it's slower than average from his stats alone; He can't magically transcend the mathematical limits placed on him by those stats. He either single pulled, or the healer had to constantly heal him and couldn't dps.
When it comes to capstone gear, ilevel is more descriptive than level. The GNB starter gear OP is using is of an inferior item level compared to level 60 tome/raid gear, so it isn't really the same as healing someone who wears scaevan gear into shadowbringers content. This is of course, completely ignoring the fact that he's wearing accessories that aren't intended for his role and don't meaningfully contribute to his character power.Remember the 73 dungeon at the beginning of Shadowbringers and the level 79 dungeon? I honestly had tanks in level 70 left side gear all the way and yeah had to do a little bit more healing but it wasn’t to a point where I was spamming. I was still playing mostly how I usually play.
I have no idea why you felt it necessary to add this. This is basically just a pointless, broad insult towards everyone criticizing OP, who was literally toxic towards other players after his demands to be dragged through content were denied by his party.
He managed to set the pace so fast that the dungeon only lasted two pulls, must be a world record. People who believe this kind of stuff are going to continue getting kicked from parties, and are going to continue to complain on the forums until whenever this game shuts down.He’s the tank. He sets the pace of the dungeon. He even said he saw them moving forward and went along happily. I know some tanks who are like “You grab it you tank it” people need to understand it’s a team effort. If he is the tank and he’s keeping aggro that’s what’s important. Work as a team to get the dungeon done. Simple. Don’t make things harder.
Last edited by LittleImp; 11-18-2021 at 06:15 AM.




This whole predicament reminds me of one of those meme... enjoy:
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I feel like if you died really quickly to one pack of mods it probably wasn't the healers fault.
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The "I've done this before" is a pathetic excuse. If any that excuse gives your party more reason to vote you out.

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