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  1. #51
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    Poporito_Popoto's Avatar
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    Calamity J'aina
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    Rafflesia
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    Darn, I was late with my inb4; people already think OP is in the wrong!
    They were right.
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  2. #52
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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Princess- Princess
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    When I was a healer main every dungeon, trial and raid I checked my tanks gear to get a head start on if I’m gonna need to heal spam or I can just toss a regen/shield and dps my little heart out. Sometimes the healers should take the initiative just to get ahead of the game. I agree that maybe the op could of had better gear but in dungeons it’s all about team work. I think if they all had worked together instead of against each other the dungeon together would of been more tolerable.

    To me it just seemed like to many egos collided and that was the downfall. If everyone was more understanding and humble it would of been fine.
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  3. #53
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    Lexis's Avatar
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    Lu'kas Steinfheld
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    Zalera
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    When I was a healer main every dungeon, trial and raid I checked my tanks gear to get a head start on if I’m gonna need to heal spam or I can just toss a regen/shield and dps my little heart out. Sometimes the healers should take the initiative just to get ahead of the game. I agree that maybe the op could of had better gear but in dungeons it’s all about team work. I think if they all had worked together instead of against each other the dungeon together would of been more tolerable.

    To me it just seemed like to many egos collided and that was the downfall. If everyone was more understanding and humble it would of been fine.
    You can buy level appropriate gear from vendors for a very reasonable amount of gil. There is simply no excuse for a tank to show up in a lvl 69 dungeon wearing lvl 60 gear (with stats that arent't even appropriate for tanking to boot). That's not teamwork on the tank's part, it's laziness.

    Plus, having gear so terrible your healer can do nothing but heal spam you through single pulls just to keep the party going slows things down considerably. The healer can't contribute much dps and the tank isn't doing anywhere near the damage they should either.

    It's just inconsiderate behavior to expect others to pick up your slack like that. Even more so if you, like OP, are going to berate the group as you do so. It's one thing to be ignorant and another to be willfully entitled.
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  4. #54
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    RobynDaBank's Avatar
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    Hope Sunflame
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto View Post
    They were right.
    OP can never be right. If this post came from the healer they'd get lambasted for not cooperating. Rule 101 of the forums.
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  5. #55
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    Izscha's Avatar
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    Izscha Wyvern
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    OP can never be right. If this post came from the healer they'd get lambasted for not cooperating. Rule 101 of the forums.
    Yeah sorry for pointing out how bizarre those stories are and funny how each single time the "I'm right believe me" are never the ones that are actually right.
    No matter what you play Healer tank DPS if you start to rant about random bs on a forum you first think if maybe you were the problem and not automatically assume it's others the meanies.
    Forum 101 indeed.
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  6. #56
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrogen View Post
    Ive done it before with no issues. I wont disagree about my gear. Im not asking for a carry. Im saying that after communicating i needed heals, i never got them. they wished to argue and ended the encounter.

    Like look, im going to lose sleep over it as ive completed it with others. I just wanted to share how unreasonable people can be. Though it is rare. Im about to hit 70 today and i have the Ilvl 400 Bought and waiting. Im halfway.
    As a healer main who's instinctually drawn to charity case tanks, I'm immediately drawn to you (which is not a good thing).
    While you're not directly asking for a carry, you're technically demanding it by choosing not to prepare for your encounters (your gear is very insufficient), not taking the initiative to use CDs prior to taking the lethal 2 seconds of damage from the small group of 3 enemies running up to play patty-cake against your moth-eaten chest, and then trying to push the blame onto the healer for not spending every cooldown, and off-globals, using their strongest potency heals to keep you standing there until you decide "it's time to do something about it." Most healers are actually too polite to say anything when a tank is not pulling their weight, and will generally just deal with you while justifying it by saying "at least now I get to use my full kit" but it's absolutely not wrong for someone to expect you to be able to hold your own and votekick you if they don't believe you can.

    You definitely did share how unreasonable people can be, but it's not looking the way you wanted it to.
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  7. #57
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    Thurmnmurmn's Avatar
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    Bunbun Thurm
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    Lamia
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    So I find it funny that people are blaming his gear. The game has a minilvl put on place so according to squenix, he's geared enough.
    People expectations are always way out of proportions with the gogo mentality and everyone outgearing dungeons.
    One thing that squenix could put in place is having accessories contribute less to your total Ilvl. That way people being "undergeared" would be less frequent.
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  8. #58
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    LittleImp's Avatar
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    Lil Imp
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    So I find it funny that people are blaming his gear. The game has a minilvl put on place so according to squenix, he's geared enough.
    People expectations are always way out of proportions with the gogo mentality and everyone outgearing dungeons.
    One thing that squenix could put in place is having accessories contribute less to your total Ilvl. That way people being "undergeared" would be less frequent.
    Minimum ilevel requirements are one of the most heavily criticized aspects of the game. They're almost always set too low, don't account for role-agnostic gear and can be easily skewed by equipping a few pieces of synced gear.

    Thinking that a GNB should be tankier than a DRG at level 69 isn't ridiculous at all.
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  9. #59
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    MikkoAkure's Avatar
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    Midi Ajihri
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    So I find it funny that people are blaming his gear. The game has a minilvl put on place so according to squenix, he's geared enough.
    People expectations are always way out of proportions with the gogo mentality and everyone outgearing dungeons.
    One thing that squenix could put in place is having accessories contribute less to your total Ilvl. That way people being "undergeared" would be less frequent.
    Most of his equipment is below the minimum requirement. He's only allowed in due to his accessories, his weapon, and his belt. Regardless, you're delusional if you believe that because it's technically allowed, going into that dungeon with that level of unpreparedness is totally OK. He wasn't having trouble with wall-to-wall pulls, he couldn't survive 3 mobs without being carried. Asking for better equipment on the tank isn't a big deal when he could have had a giant upgrade from an NPC.

    This is a team game, but it's expected that each member of the team but in some effort and making sure you're properly geared is part of that. Walking around in something the game overall itself considers barely acceptable, you're already asking the people you were just teamed up with to make up for your shortcomings.
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  10. #60
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    Lexis's Avatar
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    Lu'kas Steinfheld
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    Zalera
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    Machinist Lv 90
    I'd just like to post a reminder, for clarity's sake, that the OP is using a Healer and a DPS accessory which does bump his ilvl up to meet the requirement, yet contributes little to his actual 'tankiness'. The minimum Ilvl isn't necessarily the issue here, it's the use of inappropriate accessories to cheat said Minimum Ilvl system into letting him queue for higher level dungeons.
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