why FF14 don't do more collabs?

[SamsaraTrickstar]

Regardless of who or what team does the work on the collaboration, it’s still development time that could otherwise be put towards things more relevant to the game and NOT time limited like GARO.

The budget in both time and money is limited. I would rather a proper Christmas/Halloween/etc before..I dunno.. a Mario crossover.

Re:5.0 raids;

I bought Nier because of the announcement for 5.0 and I very much enjoyed the game for what it was, but the raids in 5.0 were very meh for me. I would have preferred almost anything, especially something that makes more sense in universe.

If it had to be a crossover, I wish they had done Secret of Mana utilizing the obvious reference from Qitania Ravel and the crashed Ronka fortress (Ronka being a Flying Fortress in FF5 and obviously the mana fortress from Secret of Mana).

so you will ignore 2 of the last alliance raid (4.x/5.x) was collabs?
as for what team do it is important as if you make a team for just this that other wise will not exist it do not take form nothing.

Something to consider is skills. This new "team" might not have the skills to make such content and need the necessary training.

and where the problem? its take them some time but then it be ok. all i want from a collab is glams after all. do a small quest line and a fate to make it ell more nice.

[TheMightyMollusk]

so you will ignore 2 of the last alliance raid (4.x/5.x) was collabs?

I wouldn't really call the Ivalice raids a collab, at least not in the same sense as it's being used in the rest of the thread, any more than the Weapons or Cruise Chaser. FF games include throwbacks to previous games all the time. It's a series tradition.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

and where the problem? its take them some time but then it be ok. all i want from a collab is glams after all. do a small quest line and a fate to make it ell more nice.

Because that's the exact same time they could have trained those same people to be part of the main dev team doing main game content and get infinitely more mileage out of them.

It's an opportunity cost. For a project of this massive size, you can't just bring on more programmers & designers and have them up and running in a short time; it's called Brook's law, and it's something I have too intimate experience with due to impatient publishers when I worked at gaming studios. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%27s_law

Each person added takes a long time to get productive and up & running with the project, sometimes detrimentally due to the fact current devs have to waste time they'd have otherwise spent programming to train the new guy, show him where stuff is in code libraries, answer questions, eyc. If they have to spend that time taking a while setting up this 'collab team', they're just going to just train them to be a part of the main game team and get infinitely more mileage out of them.

That being said, programming and design is only the half of it. Collabs aren't just simply 'company X approaches company Y' and they get the collab rolling. These things take months to years of legal planning, drafting documents, working out terms and co-jointly designing the content in question. That even assumes the other company -wants- to collab at all. It's why you see the vast majority of FFXIV's "collabs" are from other Square properties that skip 90% of the legal issues because they own the other IP as well, such as Ivalice, NIER, Dragon Quest, FFXI, etc.

That being said, Square doesn't benefit much from collabs in the first place. Collabs aren't meant to give the players fun toys, glamour, etc. They're meant to drum up interest in the other product as its primary function. With how massive the FF14 fanbase is these days due to the huge influx of players recently, Square has little to gain from collabs in the first place. If anything, collabs can actually cause negative issues for Square since it could draw players away from FF14, A subscription based MMO.

[kaynide]

so you will ignore 2 of the last alliance raid (4.x/5.x) was collabs?
as for what team do it is important as if you make a team for just this that other wise will not exist it do not take form nothing.

What are you even talking about? Did you not read my post? Please exercise basic reading comprehension if you're going to be engaging people on a forum. If you don't understand something, please ask.

1) Seriously what are you even on about? The topic was about future collabs. At what point was I ever talking about past collabs, with exception of saying I was not a fan of the Nier one?

2) You can't just magic budget money into existence. You can't just hire people without taking away from other projects. I said, clearly, "The budget in both time and money is limited".

Please read:

Regardless of who or what team does the work on the collaboration, it’s still development time that could otherwise be put towards things more relevant to the game and NOT time limited like GARO.

The budget in both time and money is limited. I would rather a proper Christmas/Halloween/etc before..I dunno.. a Mario crossover.

Re:5.0 raids;

I bought Nier because of the announcement for 5.0 and I very much enjoyed the game for what it was, but the raids in 5.0 were very meh for me. I would have preferred almost anything, especially something that makes more sense in universe.

If it had to be a crossover, I wish they had done Secret of Mana utilizing the obvious reference from Qitania Ravel and the crashed Ronka fortress (Ronka being a Flying Fortress in FF5 and obviously the mana fortress from Secret of Mana).