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    Lahabrea has been going around teaching people how to summon things for at least 5000 years so I'm not inclined to believe that the 6 elemental summons are any different.
    He was also the one most involved in developing new summoned concepts with the Ancient's creation magic. It could be he was specifically influencing various cultures and religions to get them to draw on the concepts he had invented. For example while Shiva is named after Saint Shiva, Ysayle's actual summoning is far more similar to Halone, one of the Twelve and the chief deity of Ishgard, which Lahabrea was obviously meddling with. And yes, it may also be that many of the summonings we have are simply mislabeled.

    Lahabrea attempted to teach a group of Ala Mhigans how to summon Rhalgr, a lightning aspected god. But why would he do that if he's heavily implied to be the same origin as Ramuh and by your criteria, only one can be summoned at a time?
    Ramuh clearly takes inspiration from Rhalgr, but by the same token he's also clearly different and distinct. Why exactly primals operate on IP law for their "only one incarnation at a time" rule is anyone's guess, but clearly that rule does exist, it's been a major plot point in multiple storylines. Also, I don't think elemental aspecting is the real differentiation here.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    Everyone else calls Odin an "elder primal" but that still gets into "why does everyone else call Bahamut, Phoenix, and Odin 'elder primals' but this one guy calls them 'eikons' while the Garleans and an Allagan artifact call things we call 'primals' as 'eikons'?". I think you're caught up trying to reconcile terminology trying to justify an idea you have when that idea already has inconsistencies that don't support it.
    It's true that there's a significant amount of confused terminology here. However, my greater point has to do with the fact that something resembling the primals was freed from Hydaelyn's seal on Silvertear lake, and thereafter summonings started becoming much easier. I feel the best explanation for this phenomenon relates to the Ancient's concepts, and that with Hydaelyn weakening she's no longer able to tamp down on the summoning of primals anywhere near like she used to.
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    Last edited by Veloran; 10-09-2021 at 06:55 AM.