Has anyone quit healing?

[Semirhage]

I still take the (extremist) position that anyone who claims Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is "fun" is lying, bad at healing, or plays healer for 10 minutes a day and has never run into the issue. Sub Glare for Broil too.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I still take the (extremist) position that anyone who claims Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is "fun" is lying, bad at healing, or plays healer for 10 minutes a day and has never run into the issue. Sub Glare for Broil too.

To be fair: Many enjoy cookie clicker and that's literally doing nothing but pressing a single button until you can get to a point where the button is pressed for you.

Anyways, I quit healing. SAM is fun and has multiple rotations with oGCDs that actually feel like they matter aside from just spamming Assize every so often. I'll suffer the queues times as healing has singlehandedly burnt me out anyways. FFXIV is unironically the first game to do that too, so that's kind of impressive.

[Liam_Harper]

I still take the (extremist) position that anyone who claims Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is "fun" is lying, bad at healing, or plays healer for 10 minutes a day and has never run into the issue. Sub Glare for Broil too.

It's not the class they enjoy, it's the easy gratification. All they do is press Glare and Medica II and their party showers comms on them for the full health bars or carries them through EX and Savage. WHM draws in people who aren't good at the game, don't want to learn how to be good, but still want to beat content and delude themselves that they deserved the clears.

I feel bad for the players who genuinely like WHM for aesthetic and potential gameplay and who have waited years for an engaging class, only to have it handed over to people who don't even like the class as a free ticket into endgame.

[Truen]

I still take the (extremist) position that anyone who claims Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is "fun" is lying, bad at healing, or plays healer for 10 minutes a day and has never run into the issue. Sub Glare for Broil too.

I agree. It's the worst damn design ever.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

It's not the class they enjoy, it's the easy gratification. All they do is press Glare and Medica II and their party showers comms on them for the full health bars or carries them through EX and Savage. WHM draws in people who aren't good at the game, don't want to learn how to be good, but still want to beat content and delude themselves that they deserved the clears.

I feel bad for the players who genuinely like WHM for aesthetic and potential gameplay and who have waited years for an engaging class, only to have it handed over to people who don't even like the class as a free ticket into endgame.

Maybe it's the same logic that lets someone kill 100 mobs with reduced Xp penalties in a jrpg for another level.

[Roeshel]

It's not the class they enjoy, it's the easy gratification. All they do is press Glare and Medica II and their party showers comms on them for the full health bars or carries them through EX and Savage. WHM draws in people who aren't good at the game, don't want to learn how to be good, but still want to beat content and delude themselves that they deserved the clears.

I feel bad for the players who genuinely like WHM for aesthetic and potential gameplay and who have waited years for an engaging class, only to have it handed over to people who don't even like the class as a free ticket into endgame.

Any DPS job can be viewed as a free ticket into endgame because DPS meters are officially banned by ToS and I actually can't talk about someone dealing just 1-2% DPS more than me when I am playing a healer. All you have to do as a DPS is deal damage that no one can criticize, you don't have any other responsibility. I think this is much worse than WHM's free ticket.

Tanks can outright ignore mechanics and survive and have their healers top them up. They can literally dump their responsibilities on their healers.

The argument that WHM is for people who enjoy easy gratification and what not can be said about AST and SCH. It can be said about any other job in the game.

[Axxion]

Any DPS job can be viewed as a free ticket into endgame because DPS meters are officially banned by ToS and I actually can't talk about someone dealing just 1-2% DPS more than me when I am playing a healer. All you have to do as a DPS is deal damage that no one can criticize, you don't have any other responsibility. I think this is much worse than WHM's free ticket.

Tanks can outright ignore mechanics and survive and have their healers top them up. They can literally dump their responsibilities on their healers.

The argument that WHM is for people who enjoy easy gratification and what not can be said about AST and SCH. It can be said about any other job in the game.

this is how i look at the current healers. if people ask what is a good way to get into healing, just to get there feet wet. People would recommend cnj/whm and sch. However if they want a bit of flare then you have ast and sage

[EaMett]

Wow, somehow my replies show my love for 1 button gameplay.

You should be a detective

You know what's funny. In all my years of playing this game and watching the forums. Sebazy has always been optimistic about healer changes, overall supportive of the various changes while still offering constructive criticism for the healers' shortcomings.
This has got to be the first time I've seen Sebazy so one-sidedly unhappy about the state of some jobs. Seb's comments have always been measured and I think it's a perfect demonstration of how bad SE messed things up.

And of course. People can enjoy whatever role they want. I'm looking forward to the new SMN because I play it casually and it looks dead simple now, which will allow me to have much more fun with it even in high-end content. But I can also acknowledge that SMN mains might hate the transition out of the busy aspect of the job and/or find it boring once they've played it for a while. Lowering skill ceilings often hurts those dedicated to the job and I don't think my lack of commitment to the role should impact their enjoyment of it.

[Deceptus]

You know what's funny. In all my years of playing this game and watching the forums. Sebazy has always been optimistic about healer changes, overall supportive of the various changes while still offering constructive criticism for the healers' shortcomings.
This has got to be the first time I've seen Sebazy so one-sidedly unhappy about the state of some jobs. Seb's comments have always been measured and I think it's a perfect demonstration of how bad SE messed things up.

Dammit, I'm the resident Grump around here. They need to get off mah lawn!

[Sebazy]

Does it justify the reason to call people white knight just because the answer to the topic is different than most?

Agree on WHM part though

Wait, you think my comment was aimed at this comment alone? Lol

Brandedblade literally is the definition of someone who is woefully optimistic no matter how high the flames are around him. I don't mean that in an outright derogatory way, it's just how it is.

Case in point:

Strange, I remember absolutely thriving at the start of Stormblood. The only thing they where missing was an aoe filler with Blizzard II gone.

Meanwhile, SCHs were having to broil AoE packs in dungeons, had the least efficient shields and worst MP economy. They were thriving so much that they saw an across the board sweep of buffs and new abilities in patch 4.05 to try and fix the clearly untested and untuned mess that 4.0 had left them in. And no, they weren't small buffs and tweaks either. We're talking as high as +150 potency on a single target ability here.

It's not even like he is in total denial that the role has issues:

It's frustrating to me because I fundamentally agree with the logic of the devs on this, we're just in a bad spot of class vs fight design that makes it muddled in practice. I personally hate the fact that we have this powerful and flexible selection of heals we're actively punished for using but I understand the fact that with the way fights work it's inevitable we'll need to dump the stacks on something due to fight downtime.

See I'm in this weird in-between myself, I've taken a break from FFXIV and playing WoW instead. And honestly? I think they have more interesting healers. Especially Holy paladin, which i think does the whole builder spender healer much better then SCH and actually has a dps rotation.

Yet at the same time, I still don't hate playing SCH. I did say this raid tier I would not heal, but it's more out of a desire to experience a raid from a different perspective then me just being salty and quitting healer out of boredom. SO it's like, yeah, I wish SCH had more to do but at the same time it doesn't leave me so bitter as to call the gameplay "sickening"

I think you've more or less summarized the 'darned if you do, darned if you don't' situation of the healers. I've actually come to the conclusion that the healers tend to he much more fun to play when you don't play them the optimal way.

While I'm not saying I'll intentionally play bad doing something like when I'm progging savage. I'm also saying that I dont care if Indom is more efficient then deploying an Adlo in most situations. it's more fun to see how much of the damage you absorb with a well placed deploy.

He is 100% spot on with these points in my eyes. We aren't disagreeing with each other for the sake of being petty little forum queens and I've chimed in with agreement with him in the past on plenty of topics over the years. Look back at the 4.0 leaks and media build. The forums here were busy melting down over WHM, I was actually onside with Branded pointing out that WHM was going to be fine because I saw the value that Thin Air brought to the table.

Where we differ is seemingly that he is willing to accept work that he himself admits is sub par, whereas I am not. SE are massive and this game is a gravy train, there is absolutely no reason to not hire in an effort to improve the job design issues they've consistently had over the years.