Has anyone quit healing?

[Semirhage]

I still take the (extremist) position that anyone who claims Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is "fun" is lying, bad at healing, or plays healer for 10 minutes a day and has never run into the issue. Sub Glare for Broil too.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I still take the (extremist) position that anyone who claims Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is "fun" is lying, bad at healing, or plays healer for 10 minutes a day and has never run into the issue. Sub Glare for Broil too.

To be fair: Many enjoy cookie clicker and that's literally doing nothing but pressing a single button until you can get to a point where the button is pressed for you.

Anyways, I quit healing. SAM is fun and has multiple rotations with oGCDs that actually feel like they matter aside from just spamming Assize every so often. I'll suffer the queues times as healing has singlehandedly burnt me out anyways. FFXIV is unironically the first game to do that too, so that's kind of impressive.

[Liam_Harper]

I still take the (extremist) position that anyone who claims Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is "fun" is lying, bad at healing, or plays healer for 10 minutes a day and has never run into the issue. Sub Glare for Broil too.

It's not the class they enjoy, it's the easy gratification. All they do is press Glare and Medica II and their party showers comms on them for the full health bars or carries them through EX and Savage. WHM draws in people who aren't good at the game, don't want to learn how to be good, but still want to beat content and delude themselves that they deserved the clears.

I feel bad for the players who genuinely like WHM for aesthetic and potential gameplay and who have waited years for an engaging class, only to have it handed over to people who don't even like the class as a free ticket into endgame.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

It's not the class they enjoy, it's the easy gratification. All they do is press Glare and Medica II and their party showers comms on them for the full health bars or carries them through EX and Savage. WHM draws in people who aren't good at the game, don't want to learn how to be good, but still want to beat content and delude themselves that they deserved the clears.

I feel bad for the players who genuinely like WHM for aesthetic and potential gameplay and who have waited years for an engaging class, only to have it handed over to people who don't even like the class as a free ticket into endgame.

Maybe it's the same logic that lets someone kill 100 mobs with reduced Xp penalties in a jrpg for another level.

[Roeshel]

It's not the class they enjoy, it's the easy gratification. All they do is press Glare and Medica II and their party showers comms on them for the full health bars or carries them through EX and Savage. WHM draws in people who aren't good at the game, don't want to learn how to be good, but still want to beat content and delude themselves that they deserved the clears.

I feel bad for the players who genuinely like WHM for aesthetic and potential gameplay and who have waited years for an engaging class, only to have it handed over to people who don't even like the class as a free ticket into endgame.

Any DPS job can be viewed as a free ticket into endgame because DPS meters are officially banned by ToS and I actually can't talk about someone dealing just 1-2% DPS more than me when I am playing a healer. All you have to do as a DPS is deal damage that no one can criticize, you don't have any other responsibility. I think this is much worse than WHM's free ticket.

Tanks can outright ignore mechanics and survive and have their healers top them up. They can literally dump their responsibilities on their healers.

The argument that WHM is for people who enjoy easy gratification and what not can be said about AST and SCH. It can be said about any other job in the game.

[Axxion]

Any DPS job can be viewed as a free ticket into endgame because DPS meters are officially banned by ToS and I actually can't talk about someone dealing just 1-2% DPS more than me when I am playing a healer. All you have to do as a DPS is deal damage that no one can criticize, you don't have any other responsibility. I think this is much worse than WHM's free ticket.

Tanks can outright ignore mechanics and survive and have their healers top them up. They can literally dump their responsibilities on their healers.

The argument that WHM is for people who enjoy easy gratification and what not can be said about AST and SCH. It can be said about any other job in the game.

this is how i look at the current healers. if people ask what is a good way to get into healing, just to get there feet wet. People would recommend cnj/whm and sch. However if they want a bit of flare then you have ast and sage

[Liam_Harper]

Any DPS job can be viewed as a free ticket into endgame because DPS meters are officially banned by ToS and I actually can't talk about someone dealing just 1-2% DPS more than me when I am playing a healer. All you have to do as a DPS is deal damage that no one can criticize, you don't have any other responsibility. I think this is much worse than WHM's free ticket.

You're technically not wrong, but it's not very often I see a dps at 50% uptime or less, while I see it with healers all the time. Quite often very low damage on a dps is due to multiple deaths, while for healers it's just from doing nothing. If you were visibly just standing there doing nothing for half a fight as dps, someone would probably call you out before long. You would also have a more significant impact on enrage timers in harder content or large trash pulls in dungeons.

As a healer you get away with it. You even get commendations for it as long as you're blindly filling health bars after small scratches. The standard expected of healers in harder content is lower than that of dps, which makes it an easy ticket. You even see posters here admitting they play healer for that reason. It's an issue with all the healers, but more so with WHM because you don't even have cards or a pet to juggle.

[Deceptus]

Any DPS job can be viewed as a free ticket into endgame because DPS meters are officially banned by ToS and I actually can't talk about someone dealing just 1-2% DPS more than me when I am playing a healer. All you have to do as a DPS is deal damage that no one can criticize, you don't have any other responsibility. I think this is much worse than WHM's free ticket.

See, why this is wrong is because any halfway decent end game group WILL be using a parser of some sort. They're just smart enough to not openly say it.

They'll also comment on how "We're missing our dps checks guys" and "we need to step up our dps". Then, if the dps check is failed more, they'll quietly pull the offending person to the side and say "You need to be playing a bit better, here's where you're screwing up" because the parser can tell you if you're missing GCDs or not optimizing your rotation.

Actually using it for a good purpose. Not shaming them, but straight up telling them "This is how you're messing up, this is how you rectify it and improve".

And then if the player doesn't improve, they're simply replaced in the group, as is the group leader's right. Their group, their rules. Don't play by them? Don't be in the group.

Parsers used by casuals can bring a LOT of toxicity, but in the end they are nothing more than tools. How they are used is what matters.

[Risvertasashi]

See, why this is wrong is because any halfway decent end game group WILL be using a parser of some sort. They're just smart enough to not openly say it.

They'll also comment on how "We're missing our dps checks guys" and "we need to step up our dps". Then, if the dps check is failed more, they'll quietly pull the offending person to the side and say "You need to be playing a bit better, here's where you're screwing up" because the parser can tell you if you're missing GCDs or not optimizing your rotation.

Actually using it for a good purpose. Not shaming them, but straight up telling them "This is how you're messing up, this is how you rectify it and improve".

And then if the player doesn't improve, they're simply replaced in the group, as is the group leader's right. Their group, their rules. Don't play by them? Don't be in the group.

Parsers used by casuals can bring a LOT of toxicity, but in the end they are nothing more than tools. How they are used is what matters.

I mean... you're not wrong but that mostly applies in PF. In Discord (or any other social app) where people actually communicate, they'll be fairly blunt. "Your DPS is too low", you need to work on your rotation, etc etc.

Now a good group will offer to mentor a bit. But at the end of the day, a DPS holding the group back - whether that's because they just can't grasp a mechanic, or because their DPS is too low and they can't seem to improve - they're going to be removed. Ditto for tank-specific problems or healer-specific problems, though. No one gets a free pass in a high end setting (FF14 is truthfully pretty well designed in shared responsibility this way).

[Semirhage]

You are wrong. Broil is incredibly satisfying. You have to think of fights like a Cool dance

Below Savage difficulty, fights are an incredibly easy dance. That require almost no thought at all. Savage and above, the mechanics are cool. Spamming one spell a gajillion times over and over again is not. I can dance just fine while playing a job that's actually designed well, with mechanics that interact with one another and flow together.

I have never met anyone who enjoys going into an RPG and telling their mages to Fireball. Fireball. Fireball. Fireball. Fireball. Fireball. Fireball. There is no thought in that. There's no interesting interaction between abilities. No clever tactics, barely any planning except where you stand when you cast that next Fireball. It's boring. It's insipid. It's barely worth calling "gameplay". You're casting one spell over and over and over again. If you want to click one button over and over again, idle games are thataway ->.