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    Scholar upgrades - possible patches -

    First of all. I think its important that you do new scholar reveal. to smooth the firestorm you unleashed during end walker trailer.

    Abilities that are scholar only/returning abilities - with summoner getting a massive upgrade and it loosing all the damage over time effects. this made a lot players ask. hey but what about scholar?

    - Miasma is moving to scholar -> sense these are no longer summoner abilities
    - Bane is returning to scholar -> sense these are no longer summoner abilities

    we all gathered that selene is returning its no longer the same as eos. watch is a great thing. no one wanted see selene go, lets look at this with hopeful eyes not doom saying even thought its Justifiable do to bad job reveal. not giving the much details on how your job is changing next expansion

    first of all this mostly for all classes the cast-time/global cool-down mostly all your offensive abilities will have 1.50/1.50 now these mean scholars over all combat will be much, much faster then it is at the moment then you must take into concertation that we have massive stat squish this isn't easy under taking taking every monster/boss/ability in the game reducing numbers . this isn't avoidable

    Healers are going into different direction into a different meta. all healers over all offensive abilities be more fluid if not faster

    this also means scholar probably get miasma and bane back cause no longer on summoner anymore. this been something all scholars been crying out for sense the start. while keeping art of war and getting powerful version of it.

    that being said we talked about scholars offensive lets talk about its actual healing capable.

    "Better and improved Pet AI system needs be created for future of scholar"
    - Faster Reaction Timing
    - little to no pause when you command your pet to use abilities
    - scholar shouldn't have press abilities 10-100 times somestime cooldown is consumed and abilities doesn't go off
    - but janky pets fix should been your first then fix selene. cause selene gonna have same problems eos. only difference is selenes abilities are more devastating when they don't pop off moment you cast time

    ---- Adjustiments -----

    Buffs ->

    Whispering Dawn
    Orders faerie to execute Whispering Dawn. If Seraph is summoned, orders her to execute Angel's Whisper.
    Whispering Dawn/Angel's Whisper Effect: Gradually restores the HP of all nearby party members
    Cure Potency: 120 > 210
    Duration: 21s - 18 seconds

    Succor ->

    Restores own HP and the HP of all nearby party members.
    Cure Potency: 180 -> 260 potancy (buff)
    Additional Effect: Erects a magicked barrier which nullifies damage equaling 125% of the amount of HP restored
    Duration: 30s


    Energy Drain -
    Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100 -> 200 (buff)
    Additional Effect: Absorbs a portion of damage dealt as HP and restores MP
    Additional Effect: Increases Faerie Gauge by 10 -> 20
    Aetherflow Gauge Cost: 1 (no longer has an Aetherflow gauge cost, just a very short cooldown that you can use every 30 seconds

    Sacred Soil
    Creates a designated area in which party members will only suffer 90% of all damage inflicted.
    Duration: 15s - 21s
    Additional Effect: Regen
    Cure Potency: 100 -> 150
    Additional Effect: Increases Faerie Gauge by 10 -> 20
    Aetherflow Gauge Cost: 1

    Chain Stratagem - changes -
    Places 4-6 stacks on target abilities/spells you and party use on the target will be 100% crit direct hit. this can be placed on an ally or a monster. anytime someone or yourself crit it consumes a stack. no stacks this buff disappears

    this makes this very versatile almost like a A/S rank ability on scholar.
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    Last edited by VictoriaLuv; 09-29-2021 at 11:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv View Post
    Succor [...]
    Effect cannot be stacked with astrologian's Nocturnal Field.
    People in Endwalker: "What's Noctural Field?"

    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv View Post
    Sacred Soil
    Creates a designated area in which party members will only suffer 90% of all damage inflicted.
    Duration: 15s - 21s
    Additional Effect: Regen
    Cure Potency: 100 -> 150
    Additional Effect: Increases Faerie Gauge by 10 -> 20
    Aetherflow Gauge Cost: 1

    Chain Stratagem - changes -
    Places 4-6 stacks on target abilities/spells you and party use on the target will be 100% crit direct hit.
    Whatever your doctor prescribed you, you should consider not taking that stuff anymore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArianeEwah View Post
    People in Endwalker: "What's Noctural Field?"



    Whatever your doctor prescribed you, you should consider not taking that stuff anymore!
    are you serious that what Sacred Soil does already? only thing i adjusted is duration. cure potency and increase faerie gauge no need be rude. its a welcome change specially when. currently when there not mono between all healers. even white mage has a shield sense its only regen effect that scholar has it should be little bit like making it more powerful then medica II regen effect but at same time. medica II has 200 potency heal attached to it. also must take in consideration that you have stat squish. and actual healing you get now isn't gonna be same as it is endwalker.

    I should also warn you by even being mildly offensive when posting a reply or posting forum devs will most likely ban you on the spot. so please be nice when replying to people. don't want a 2 week or a perm ban. posting on forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv View Post
    are you serious that what Sacred Soil does already? only thing i adjusted is duration. cure potency and increase faerie gauge no need be rude
    Y'know Sacred Soil is already considered as one of the most powerful healing action in the game, right? Increasing any aspect of this ability would just make it more overpowered.
    Also, those Stratagem changes are ridiculous; from 15% crit rate to 100% direct crit?

    It seems to me, you didn't even consider balance; this has to be your 7th thread right now, and considering what you wrote in those other threads, too, it doesn't seem like you gave it any deep thoughts at all. The reason for those changes is also missing, there is no context whatsoever. Honestly, for a stranger, all this random overpowered stuff looks more like a troll post than a serious one.

    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv View Post
    I should also warn you by even being mildly offensive when posting a reply or posting forum devs will most likely ban you on the spot. so please be nice when replying to people. don't want a 2 week or a perm ban. posting on forums.
    Oh, you are threatening me now? I'm quivering!

    I gave you my thoughts, and told you that your stuff is overpowered, and not thought out well. If you can't take critique, that's on you!

    €: your changes to
    Whispering Dawn +50% healing
    Succor + 44%
    Energy Drain (altho most likely to be removed anyway) +100% dmg (cost, no cost, what?) +10 fairy gauge?
    Sacred Soil +110% healing +10 gauge

    You can't be serious! That's the only conclusion I can come to.
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    Last edited by ArianeEwah; 09-29-2021 at 11:48 PM.

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    Like.... Is this supposed to be theory crafting or "leaked" skill descriptions. If it's the former, that's a really big yikes. If it's the latter, then it's entirely false.

    Just imagine how "Stacks" of Stratagem would work. The stacks would be eaten by random auto attacks and Broils, rather than the actual hard hitting skills you'd want to crit. Everyone is doing an opener, so there's literally no way to control who consumes the Stratagem stacks in your proposed changes...
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    There's a lot to unpack here:

    Miasma is moving to scholar, Bane is returning to scholar
    These are good changes I'd like to see

    the cast-time/global cool-down mostly all your offensive abilities will have 1.50/1.50
    Its actually 1,5/2,5 cast/recast to allow us to weave iirc, having lower cast and recast woudnt serve any purpose as it would only limit or weaving oportunities more

    Whispering Dawn
    This is simply way too powerful, whispering dawn would become one if not the strongest regen of the game with a total potency of 1260, even if we take into acount the pet stats it would be comparable to an 882 potency AoE regen, it would be a regen with higher single target potency than Excog, without using any resource and 0 dps cost as the gcd would let you freely weave, I like sch but that is too much especially when we are talking about a shield healer and it doesnt solve any gameplay issue.


    Succor
    Same as whispering, its buff for the sake of a buff, its dps cost doesnt become lower or have any extra interaction so its use would be the same as today, close to none. It just would be stronger healing wise but I dont see a purpose behind it.

    Energy Drain
    I see this as a negative change, you'd increase the oportunity cost of Aetherflow heals meaning those are less desirable from an efficiency point of view than they're now and we already have situations where its better for a Whm to use an afflatus gcd heal than us using an aetherflow heal. You also increase th fairy gauge but, why? We already sit with full gauge/close to full gauge in the majority of content, why would we need more, especially when fey blessing does not use that gauge anymore?.

    (On the other hand if you remove it from aetherflow you de emphatize that action a lot as it doesnt have any dps benefit outside the heals so we'll return to a scenario similar to 5.0 Sch with Aetherflow sitting there doing nothing for a good chunk of the encounter)


    Sacred Soil
    As other have said, this is beyond broken, 10% mitigation + a regen worth of 900 total potency and 70% uptime, unless range is a problem or trying to minimize aetherflow use (because ED) no one would ever use any other aetherflow heal as this is better than all of them in almost any aspect, more total potency on single target than excog + mitigation and indom (which is already a weaker heal) would see even less use outside of recitation, same as the previous buffs I dont see a reason why do it aside the sake of buffing it (which is kinda crazy as current SS is among the strongest heals of the game) neither why it gives us more Fairy gauge when we have less spenders.


    Chain Stratagem
    On a raid scenario with other 7 players this would be inconsistent as fuck as those buffs would last even less than a GCD, it may miss a dps in favor of 2 tank hits, jobs like blm would miss it easily while jobs like mch could burn it very quickly under hypercharge, I'm assuming abilities mean weaponskills because if it works on ogcds it would last even less.
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    Last edited by WaxSw; 09-30-2021 at 02:29 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArianeEwah View Post
    Oh, you are threatening me now? I'm quivering!

    I gave you my thoughts, and told you that your stuff is overpowered, and not thought out well. If you can't take critique, that's on you!
    I mean okay, fair, the thread in response is a bit much and their defensiveness in other threads is a bit much.

    But you were rude, so at least own it instead of saying it's because they can't take critique:

    Whatever your doctor prescribed you, you should consider not taking that stuff anymore!
    That's rude.

    If you wanna be rude, it's your prerogative, as far as I'm concerned between you and the GM's, but I see so many do it, they'll be rude, somebody calls them out on it and then it's like "people can't take criticism/advice!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    That's rude.
    But saying: "are you high?" is not? Where is the difference when both phrases say the same? (Also I don't trust doctors that prescribe drugs first when you have simple cough.)

    2nd: the way they wrote their "warning" reads more as a threat. But then again, I don't care about forum bans, as if my life would depend on it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArianeEwah View Post
    Y'know Sacred Soil is already considered as one of the most powerful healing action in the game, right? Increasing any aspect of this ability would just make it more overpowered.
    Also, those Stratagem changes are ridiculous; from 15% crit rate to 100% direct crit?

    It seems to me, you didn't even consider balance; this has to be your 7th thread right now, and considering what you wrote in those other threads, too, it doesn't seem like you gave it any deep thoughts at all. The reason for those changes is also missing, there is no context whatsoever. Honestly, for a stranger, all this random overpowered stuff looks more like a troll post than a serious one.



    Oh, you are threatening me now? I'm quivering!

    I gave you my thoughts, and told you that your stuff is overpowered, and not thought out well. If you can't take critique, that's on you!

    €: your changes to
    Whispering Dawn +50% healing
    Succor + 44%
    Energy Drain (altho most likely to be removed anyway) +100% dmg (cost, no cost, what?) +10 fairy gauge?
    Sacred Soil +110% healing +10 gauge

    You can't be serious! That's the only conclusion I can come to.
    threatening you no. honestly telling you that its perfectly ok dislike what i posted nothing about that but being toxic is not ok? do think this wow or something? were people can be troll and hateful when ever they feel like it people lost there squire-enix accounts. but when start saying things like "Whatever your doctor prescribed you, you should consider not taking that stuff anymore!" I'm not threatening you remarks like this would can get you perm banned off these forums. they have a forum policy and freedom of offensive speech doesn't apply here. but trying to do you solid. and urm let you know. but hey if dont care about never being able to post again on the official forums. please carry on. this what happens when people act up.

    would be nice if kept things civil. when arguments or disagreements happen. a lot people have disagreement with what posted a lot of them expressed why they didn't like it. but also did not result in insulting op. instantly being offensive. cause they have different point view. so please do not take this as a threat or attack. I've seen people lose there accounts for less. don't want see any other poster. lose what they have. cause they said something they shouldn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArianeEwah View Post
    But saying: "are you high?" is not? Where is the difference when both phrases say the same? (Also I don't trust doctors that prescribe drugs first when you have simple cough.)

    2nd: the way they wrote their "warning" reads more as a threat. But then again, I don't care about forum bans, as if my life would depend on it...
    I'd say that "are you high?" is rude. The person who posted that didn't pretend there weren't being rude, in fact their last post ended with an apology.

    As for the second point, that came after and it doesn't change whether what you said was rude or not, you may argue it's justified. But this is my point about owning it, if you're rude accept you're being rude if somebody has a problem with you being rude to them then it's because you're being rude to them not because they can't take criticism.

    I mean, my questioning them being a troll was kinda rude of me, I now figure they might not be, but just there's a language barrier and they get overly defensive when people are rude.
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