Scholar upgrades - possible patches -

[WaxSw]

There's a lot to unpack here:

Miasma is moving to scholar, Bane is returning to scholar

These are good changes I'd like to see

the cast-time/global cool-down mostly all your offensive abilities will have 1.50/1.50

Its actually 1,5/2,5 cast/recast to allow us to weave iirc, having lower cast and recast woudnt serve any purpose as it would only limit or weaving oportunities more

Whispering Dawn

This is simply way too powerful, whispering dawn would become one if not the strongest regen of the game with a total potency of 1260, even if we take into acount the pet stats it would be comparable to an 882 potency AoE regen, it would be a regen with higher single target potency than Excog, without using any resource and 0 dps cost as the gcd would let you freely weave, I like sch but that is too much especially when we are talking about a shield healer and it doesnt solve any gameplay issue.

Succor

Same as whispering, its buff for the sake of a buff, its dps cost doesnt become lower or have any extra interaction so its use would be the same as today, close to none. It just would be stronger healing wise but I dont see a purpose behind it.

Energy Drain

I see this as a negative change, you'd increase the oportunity cost of Aetherflow heals meaning those are less desirable from an efficiency point of view than they're now and we already have situations where its better for a Whm to use an afflatus gcd heal than us using an aetherflow heal. You also increase th fairy gauge but, why? We already sit with full gauge/close to full gauge in the majority of content, why would we need more, especially when fey blessing does not use that gauge anymore?.

(On the other hand if you remove it from aetherflow you de emphatize that action a lot as it doesnt have any dps benefit outside the heals so we'll return to a scenario similar to 5.0 Sch with Aetherflow sitting there doing nothing for a good chunk of the encounter)

Sacred Soil

As other have said, this is beyond broken, 10% mitigation + a regen worth of 900 total potency and 70% uptime, unless range is a problem or trying to minimize aetherflow use (because ED) no one would ever use any other aetherflow heal as this is better than all of them in almost any aspect, more total potency on single target than excog + mitigation and indom (which is already a weaker heal) would see even less use outside of recitation, same as the previous buffs I dont see a reason why do it aside the sake of buffing it (which is kinda crazy as current SS is among the strongest heals of the game) neither why it gives us more Fairy gauge when we have less spenders.

Chain Stratagem

On a raid scenario with other 7 players this would be inconsistent as fuck as those buffs would last even less than a GCD, it may miss a dps in favor of 2 tank hits, jobs like blm would miss it easily while jobs like mch could burn it very quickly under hypercharge, I'm assuming abilities mean weaponskills because if it works on ogcds it would last even less.

[VictoriaLuv]

After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.

what you say is true. but there is some major differences between the two. that can make medica II seem way more powerful. whispering dawn. whispering dawn is like one of few healing over time effects scholar has and you get this way lower level. when I make abilities suggest them take into consideration all types of play. rather it be low level exploration and game enjoyable all way to max level. however i do not base balancing on raiding alone. pretty sure as a healer you run into situations where the tank will pull about 16-22 monsters from start of dungeon all way to the boss. this makes up over 55-62% of the over all experience in the game. where raiding raiding and savage grinding only like 10-13% rest just solo content. way the meta is shaping currently in the game. stronger and solid heals are required be able to heal big burst of damage. scholars need bulk added to there kit

more aoe damage. better solid aoe heals not feel underwhelming questioned why you casted it in first place. believe it or not people actually play final fantasy 14 to have "fun" would like to have "Fun and cool things to play with" not question what am doing with my life. everytime you cast ability command your pet to use ability they down right refuse to do so

[Semirhage]

What? So...Whispering Dawn is pretty close in strength to Medica 2, but people do a lot of dungeons so therefore it "feels weak" and needs a buff anyway? What do these two things have to do with one another? Why do the healers require even more powerful heals? The healing spells in this game are already largely superfluous, especially in dungeons where AOE damage is far less frequent than it is in raid settings. Whispering Dawn is even less relevant there than it is in high-end content. Why does fairy ghosting have anything to do with the potency on Whispering Dawn?

This is one of the weird mental blocks I consistently have with Scholar mains. The fairy "feels weak". You point out that the fairy's spells are, in fact, pretty strong. Even after being nerfed several expansions in a row, the fairy pumps out a ton of free healing. But it "feels weak" so it needs a buff. Do people want Whispering Dawn to throw out an Earthly Star-level heal? Mass Benediction? What would make the fairy "feel" strong? If Embrace chonked the tank for a Cure 2's worth of health every time the cast went off?

[Calysto]

Lazy "fix" :
-E(r)OS : ogcd ; the pixie has the hots for a party member and only heal them.
-SoLo~NE : ogcd ; the pixie heart is broken and she send her love to whoever want it.

Just like a sl*tty sage on a 5s CD

[Sergie]

Yeah fairy is actually ridiculously strong when you consider that all her actions are completely oGCD and start counting how much total healing power all those Embraces amount to.

[VictoriaLuv]

Yeah fairy is actually ridiculously strong when you consider that all her actions are completely oGCD and start counting how much total healing power all those Embraces amount to.

yes you have no control over who it embraces or when it decides to embrace. embrace isn't as strong people think it is. back in the day when had control over it. yes embrace was really strong. bur new system your very lucky and rng really loves your scholar or it pull of its heals when people need it the most.

people trying compare medica II to whispering dawn watch has 60 second cooldown. and medica II does not not to mention medica II first heal can crit, I have not once seen whispering dawn crit. when you put all these things into account the 60 second cooldown. embrace jank. pet jank. yes it needs be stronger. its like look askin have scholar made better. if your scholar main then you should want this too. the lack of meaty heals is what is major issue lack of fun dps opinions for. scholar.

Sages gonna completely totally destroy scholar as far as parsing. hell they heal from there damage. while adding large amounts of utility and shields how are you even gonna hold up. people already saying "oh crap its a scholar" every-time you run 4 man or 8 man dungeon cause unless your A/S tier healer 100% top of your game and putting twice if not more effort in your job. its gonna suck sorry people its the truth. scholar is unforgiving as hell

[Roeshel]

yes you have no control over who it embraces or when it decides to embrace. embrace isn't as strong people think it is. back in the day when had control over it. yes embrace was really strong. bur new system your very lucky and rng really loves your scholar or it pull of its heals when people need it the most.

people trying compare medica II to whispering dawn watch has 60 second cooldown. and medica II does not not to mention medica II first heal can crit, I have not once seen whispering dawn crit. when you put all these things into account the 60 second cooldown. embrace jank. pet jank. yes it needs be stronger. its like look askin have scholar made better. if your scholar main then you should want this too. the lack of meaty heals is what is major issue lack of fun dps opinions for. scholar.

Sages gonna completely totally destroy scholar as far as parsing. hell they heal from there damage. while adding large amounts of utility and shields how are you even gonna hold up. people already saying "oh crap its a scholar" every-time you run 4 man or 8 man dungeon cause unless your A/S tier healer 100% top of your game and putting twice if not more effort in your job. its gonna suck sorry people its the truth. scholar is unforgiving as hell

What you are asking for is the ability to have unmatched overhealing potential on oGCD which defeats the whole purpose of oGCD healing. Scholar's healing is one of the best in the game because the heals are distributed between many abilities. That offers players the chance to heal just what they need to heal, instead of overhealing.

If someone is playing WHM, it is logically better to overheal with Medica II than to use Cure III simply because Cure III uses more mana and it is on GCD just like Medica II. Even if it didn't use more mana like Medica, choosing to lose 400 cure potency over saving 300 MP is not really a choice. What are you going to do with that saved MP? It would have been different if MP was actually an extremely valuable resource. Only when it comes to using Lilies does WHM has some choice to make. They can either heal 700 in ST or 300 in AoE every 30s stacking up to 3 times.

Scholar has the highest depth of gameplay when it comes to healing because it has a lot of different ways to heal damage. The job has 3 oGCDs that heal approximately 600 AoE - Sacred Soil, Recitation+Indom, Whispering Dawn. SCH you have actual choices to make. With AST you have only cards to consider, oGCD healing is used on CD because it is free and it costs nothing. If Scholar uses Lustrate and Excog, they won't be able to use Sacred soil or Indom until Aetherflow becomes available again unless they use Dissipation which comes at a relatively high cost. Seraph becomes unavailable for 30s, Embrace is no longer healing and you are losing access to all of the fairy commands.

In Endwalker Sage is going to destroy every other healer. And unless AST's damage is stronger than that of Scholar, Scholar is also going to end up being favoured over AST in raids because they have stronger oGCD healing and a much better field action for mitigation. Also, having a fairy healing for 1/2 of Cardia is still better than nothing. Both AST and WHM lack any means to do what SGE and SCH are doing. They have ST oGCDs which SGE and SCH also have. Sage even has a cubic barrier on 120s cooldown which doesn't even consume a resource. Everyone has DPS neutral weaving potential. Playing optimally while healing is plausible for every job now, not only AST.

The only reason why people would be saying "oh crap its a scholar" if that is even true is that Scholar's method of healing is different from that of a regen healer and if someone plays Scholar like a WHM and mainly relying on GCD to heal, they are going to underperform greatly in terms of HPS and DPS.

[Sebazy]

Embrace lost a large chunk of it's value when you stopped being able to manually focus fire it tbh =(

[KDSilver]

Embrace lost a large chunk of it's value when you stopped being able to manually focus fire it tbh =(

I don't understand why SCH doesn't get something similar as SGE.
Placing a link or whatever it could be on a target to force embrace on that target.

[inhaledcorn]

I don't understand why SCH doesn't get something similar as SGE.
Placing a link or whatever it could be on a target to force embrace on that target.

bUt ThAt'S wHaT tHe GaUgE iS fOr!

They took away Rouse and control and put it on a garbage ability that doesn't even last long enough for it to be significant.