Scholar upgrades - possible patches -

[ArianeEwah]

are you serious that what Sacred Soil does already? only thing i adjusted is duration. cure potency and increase faerie gauge no need be rude

Y'know Sacred Soil is already considered as one of the most powerful healing action in the game, right? Increasing any aspect of this ability would just make it more overpowered.
Also, those Stratagem changes are ridiculous; from 15% crit rate to 100% direct crit?

It seems to me, you didn't even consider balance; this has to be your 7th thread right now, and considering what you wrote in those other threads, too, it doesn't seem like you gave it any deep thoughts at all. The reason for those changes is also missing, there is no context whatsoever. Honestly, for a stranger, all this random overpowered stuff looks more like a troll post than a serious one.

I should also warn you by even being mildly offensive when posting a reply or posting forum devs will most likely ban you on the spot. so please be nice when replying to people. don't want a 2 week or a perm ban. posting on forums.

Oh, you are threatening me now? I'm quivering!

I gave you my thoughts, and told you that your stuff is overpowered, and not thought out well. If you can't take critique, that's on you!

€: your changes to
Whispering Dawn +50% healing
Succor + 44%
Energy Drain (altho most likely to be removed anyway) +100% dmg (cost, no cost, what?) +10 fairy gauge?
Sacred Soil +110% healing +10 gauge

You can't be serious! That's the only conclusion I can come to.

[Saefinn]

Oh, you are threatening me now? I'm quivering!

I gave you my thoughts, and told you that your stuff is overpowered, and not thought out well. If you can't take critique, that's on you!

I mean okay, fair, the thread in response is a bit much and their defensiveness in other threads is a bit much.

But you were rude, so at least own it instead of saying it's because they can't take critique:

Whatever your doctor prescribed you, you should consider not taking that stuff anymore!

That's rude.

If you wanna be rude, it's your prerogative, as far as I'm concerned between you and the GM's, but I see so many do it, they'll be rude, somebody calls them out on it and then it's like "people can't take criticism/advice!"

[ArianeEwah]

That's rude.

But saying: "are you high?" is not? Where is the difference when both phrases say the same? (Also I don't trust doctors that prescribe drugs first when you have simple cough.)

2nd: the way they wrote their "warning" reads more as a threat. But then again, I don't care about forum bans, as if my life would depend on it...

[Saefinn]

But saying: "are you high?" is not? Where is the difference when both phrases say the same? (Also I don't trust doctors that prescribe drugs first when you have simple cough.)

2nd: the way they wrote their "warning" reads more as a threat. But then again, I don't care about forum bans, as if my life would depend on it...

I'd say that "are you high?" is rude. The person who posted that didn't pretend there weren't being rude, in fact their last post ended with an apology.

As for the second point, that came after and it doesn't change whether what you said was rude or not, you may argue it's justified. But this is my point about owning it, if you're rude accept you're being rude if somebody has a problem with you being rude to them then it's because you're being rude to them not because they can't take criticism.

I mean, my questioning them being a troll was kinda rude of me, I now figure they might not be, but just there's a language barrier and they get overly defensive when people are rude.

[VictoriaLuv]

I'd say that "are you high?" is rude. The person who posted that didn't pretend there weren't being rude, in fact their last post ended with an apology.

As for the second point, that came after and it doesn't change whether what you said was rude or not, you may argue it's justified. But this is my point about owning it, if you're rude accept you're being rude if somebody has a problem with you being rude to them then it's because you're being rude to them not because they can't take criticism.

I mean, my questioning them being a troll was kinda rude of me, I now figure they might not be, but just there's a language barrier and they get overly defensive when people are rude.

Its not really that I can understand that people may see me as trolling so that doesn't really offend me. any or nor do find that rude at all. I'm just seeking discussions with people that does not result in bashing someone else. most of the time. you get that on final fantasy 14 forums or in-game as a whole. I just understand we all passionate about the game we all have different things like to see in the game. sometimes people will clash cause difference of opinion. however nothing really posted was remotely bad. just my potency increases are way off i would like see some potency increases in scholar's job even if its like 10-20 more potency added to heals or dps

I sometimes feel whispering dawn doesn't really pull its weight mostly then that being said its no medica II so my. is touch up where scholar individually lacks at the moment. pet ai. good damage rotation set up. having decent regeneration and aoe shielding. and issue i have with CS is that its completely RNG its 15% crit chance for 15s yet damage crits are nice and all. but healing is were the critical are really needed on scholar for it function properly. this were in my opinion where scholar's truly shine

CS only be put on monster you cant put it on the tank. watch is kinda sad. either way still be used as offensive cd regardless but in dungeons when tank pulls wall to wall. being able to put it on tank and crit/ap more be a welcome change

why i did that to energy drain is cause i want scholar have something other lucid dreaming gain mp back. without costing aetherrite while keeping it all on lustrates so you can dps more doing the ogcd juggle mostly all healers do this would also automanticlly suggest that energy drain give you more mp upon use. allowing scholar watch at the start of shadowbringers 5.0 alot mp issues with scholar watch they have fixed

even though there 6 stacks on cs that is 100% crit. i suggested you wont get those cs that put on a boss. no one in 8 man party pops a single crit cause of rng. sure take in weapon skills and magic into account (not auto-attacks) at least crits are happening upon use.

[Semirhage]

I sometimes feel whispering dawn doesn't really pull its weight mostly then that being said its no medica II

After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.

[Deceptus]

After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.

Whispering Dawn also has a 60s CD and due to it being an ability doesnt' get any benefit from +healing abilities. It just is what it is healing wise.

Vs.

Medica 2 which can be modified by:

WHM Asylum (10%)
WHM Temperence (20%)
SCH Fey Illumination (10%)

It's the above reasons where Medica 2 can feel REALLY beefy at times. Especially combined with both Temperence and Asylum. 10% less damage and 30% extra healing? Yes please.

Do people want Whispering Dawn to throw out an Earthly Star-level heal? Mass Benediction? What would make the fairy "feel" strong? If Embrace chonked the tank for a Cure 2's worth of health every time the cast went off?

Quit the hyperbole. After the pet tax Embrase is equal to a 100 potency heal every 5 seconds or so (3 sec recast + whenever the fairy decides to actually cast it.)

It adds up, but lets not pretend it's a lot.

[ArianeEwah]

I am not questioning your mental stability - THIS would be insulting -, but I ask whether you have given it two thoughts about what you are even suggesting!?

Except for your first 1-2 points about Bane and Miasma which unfortunately are not explained any further - despite it could've been the most interessting part of your post - you jump right into buffs that are on scale we've never seen before, and left without any explanation why you are even bringing them up.

And here is what we saw: except for chain stratagem, they are copy and paste from the job guide - the note about Nocturnal Field on Succor was still there. The buff section heavily lacks proof reading. For ED there is still the Aether cost notice, but you just added it doesn't cost anything... this is unfinished, and confusing to say the least.
And as WaxSw has described in detail, your suggestions don't make any sense without any explanation or wrote down reason.
I can't see any design changes that justify such buffs, so we are back to the point that this section is still not done.
In fact, your changes would make SCH even more boring and monotone than it already is, since Sacred would be mandatory in any situation, and the gauge would be overflowing with no way to spend other than on Fey Union.

Focus on the interessting part, and keep the balance in mind. If you can't come up with numbers without breaking it, either don't fix on them or give a rough direction, so you wouldn't go overboard.

So far, all I can say, those changes are - mildly speaking - not good, and those that could be interessting are not explained, so I can't make any of it.

[VictoriaLuv]

Y'know Sacred Soil is already considered as one of the most powerful healing action in the game, right? Increasing any aspect of this ability would just make it more overpowered.
Also, those Stratagem changes are ridiculous; from 15% crit rate to 100% direct crit?

It seems to me, you didn't even consider balance; this has to be your 7th thread right now, and considering what you wrote in those other threads, too, it doesn't seem like you gave it any deep thoughts at all. The reason for those changes is also missing, there is no context whatsoever. Honestly, for a stranger, all this random overpowered stuff looks more like a troll post than a serious one.



Oh, you are threatening me now? I'm quivering!

I gave you my thoughts, and told you that your stuff is overpowered, and not thought out well. If you can't take critique, that's on you!

€: your changes to
Whispering Dawn +50% healing
Succor + 44%
Energy Drain (altho most likely to be removed anyway) +100% dmg (cost, no cost, what?) +10 fairy gauge?
Sacred Soil +110% healing +10 gauge

You can't be serious! That's the only conclusion I can come to.

threatening you no. honestly telling you that its perfectly ok dislike what i posted nothing about that but being toxic is not ok? do think this wow or something? were people can be troll and hateful when ever they feel like it people lost there squire-enix accounts. but when start saying things like "Whatever your doctor prescribed you, you should consider not taking that stuff anymore!" I'm not threatening you remarks like this would can get you perm banned off these forums. they have a forum policy and freedom of offensive speech doesn't apply here. but trying to do you solid. and urm let you know. but hey if dont care about never being able to post again on the official forums. please carry on. this what happens when people act up.

would be nice if kept things civil. when arguments or disagreements happen. a lot people have disagreement with what posted a lot of them expressed why they didn't like it. but also did not result in insulting op. instantly being offensive. cause they have different point view. so please do not take this as a threat or attack. I've seen people lose there accounts for less. don't want see any other poster. lose what they have. cause they said something they shouldn't