A request for Endwalker Dungeons (No more Undertuned)

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I honestly wish I could like this comment more. I've been saying this for years. Not only here, but other MMOs I play which have similar takes.

The forum community is always elite players who never, ever make a mistake in anything, and they always want the game to be INCREDIBLY hard, punishing and unforgiving. Maybe even permanent death, or that the very least the loss of all your stuff (which some old MMOs used to do.)

Thank god the forum community in almost any game makes up such a tiny fraction of the overall playerbase. There is a reason AAA MMOs have mostly easy dungeons.

It's because the age of the average gamer in the US today is 35 years old. And most have families now. This isn't 2005 anymore. Most people that started playing old school games are now adults. They play a couple hours a night or whenever they can sneak some time in. They don't want to spend time figuring out crazy hard dungeons.

More so in a Final Fantasy game, where story is king.

I'm 32 with a full time job and back in school full time to finish my bachelor's degree.

Doesn't change my stance on not wanting dungeons to be brain dead.

Again, no one is asking for ex or savage level.

Just... Maybe something more along the lines of pharos Sirius when it released, or AK.

You know, make you think a bit. Them being slightly more difficult won't increase the time it takes to complete them much. In fact, the time it takes now is laughable. It used to take 35 minutes to get through leveling dungeons back in 2.0.

[Xaphire]

I'm 32 with a full time job and back in school full time to finish my bachelor's degree.

Doesn't change my stance on not wanting dungeons to be brain dead.

Again, no one is asking for ex or savage level.

Just... Maybe something more along the lines of pharos Sirius when it released, or AK.

You know, make you think a bit. Them being slightly more difficult won't increase the time it takes to complete them much. In fact, the time it takes now is laughable. It used to take 35 minutes to get through leveling dungeons back in 2.0.

As much as I also liked Pharos Sirius, getting it in roulette was also a wasted queue more often than not. It was very frequent for one or two of the people to leave the dungeon immediately upon queueing in. That's what I don't want to deal with.

[RitsukoSonoda]

As much as I also liked Pharos Sirius, getting it in roulette was also a wasted queue more often than not. It was very frequent for one or two of the people to leave the dungeon immediately upon queueing in. That's what I don't want to deal with.

If all the duties at that time were like Pharos Sirius in terms of difficulty and mechanical involvement, people wouldn't have been queue bailing to try and get a different duty.

[TaleraRistain]

If all the duties at that time were like Pharos Sirius in terms of difficulty and mechanical involvement, people wouldn't have been queue bailing to try and get a different duty.

No, they would have instead quit the game. The more that is done, the more niche it becomes, the less players the game has. The devs want the basic content that everyone is required to do to be accessible. That means it's going to be easy and not ask too much and is probably going to bore some who aren't challenged by it. There are other things the devs put in the game for that exact challenge.

The other thing to remember is the devs also want players to do the content. They tried more hard mode or tricky dungeons, like Pharos Sirius, and the playerbase avoided them. So where is their return on the work put in if their players avoid it?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No, they would have instead quit the game. The more that is done, the more niche it becomes, the less players the game has. The devs want the basic content that everyone is required to do to be accessible. That means it's going to be easy and not ask too much and is probably going to bore some who aren't challenged by it. There are other things the devs put in the game for that exact challenge.

The other thing to remember is the devs also want players to do the content. They tried more hard mode or tricky dungeons, like Pharos Sirius, and the playerbase avoided them. So where is their return on the work put in if their players avoid it?

Actually most people's reasoning wasn't the difficulty, it was that the rewards were of the same ilvl as wp and AK, but it was more difficult, so why bother.

[RitsukoSonoda]

No, they would have instead quit the game. The more that is done, the more niche it becomes, the less players the game has. The devs want the basic content that everyone is required to do to be accessible. That means it's going to be easy and not ask too much and is probably going to bore some who aren't challenged by it. There are other things the devs put in the game for that exact challenge.

The other thing to remember is the devs also want players to do the content. They tried more hard mode or tricky dungeons, like Pharos Sirius, and the playerbase avoided them. So where is their return on the work put in if their players avoid it?

Try not to speak for other people as if you are some representative of the majority. If you're going to quit a game because they want you to actually play the game instead of letting it run itself like a spinoff of an idle heroes game that's your choice alone.

The player base did not avoid hard mode or tricky dungeons. The small faction I call lazy players avoided those while the majority of the player base actually did those duties when they appeared in roulettes and completed them without issue.

All of these "problem" duties that everybody supposedly avoids in roulettes, I've ran them all countless times. It was extremely rare to see someone actually abandon the duty just because it came up. Because of this at the current point in time I feel every single person claiming that they always see people abandon those duties are either the one abandoning the duty because they don't want to do it and are upset because they then have to wait 30 minutes to queue again, or are giving absurd exaggerations because they're afraid of having to learn basic competency in playing the game.

[Rinhi]

Again, no one is asking for ex or savage level.

but that's the content for people that want harder content! even if many of them are way too complicated and hard for many of the people that want just slightly harder content! no, go do extremes and savage and stop complaining!

like, why do posters do this? I personally think savage content is too hard and that extreme is verging on too complicated in certain fights (like SoSex) and thus don't do either content, yet I want harder 'normal' content because as it currently is, most of it is way too easy
but I guess I'm a tryhard elitist raider for wanting bardam/doma levels of spicyness in dungeons

[ItMe]

but that's the content for people that want harder content! even if many of them are way too complicated and hard for many of the people that want just slightly harder content! no, go do extremes and savage and stop complaining!

It doesn't serve the same purpose though.
A big 8 person boss fight is pretty different from a 4 person dungeon run.
And even if one enjoys EX and Savage content doesn't help roulettes (or even just story progression) not be a drag.

[Rinhi]

It doesn't serve the same purpose though.
A big 8 person boss fight is pretty different from a 4 person dungeon run.
And even if one enjoys EX and Savage content doesn't help roulettes (or even just story progression) not be a drag.

exactly, they are completely different things which makes it hella infuriating when people tell you to go do that when you want harder dungeons

[Lium]

I'm 32 with a full time job and back in school full time to finish my bachelor's degree.

Doesn't change my stance on not wanting dungeons to be brain dead.

Again, no one is asking for ex or savage level.

Just... Maybe something more along the lines of pharos Sirius when it released, or AK.

You know, make you think a bit. Them being slightly more difficult won't increase the time it takes to complete them much. In fact, the time it takes now is laughable. It used to take 35 minutes to get through leveling dungeons back in 2.0.

That's a slippery slope. As I understand it, Pharos Sirius was nerfed because so many people complained about it. The same thing happened in WoW during Cataclysm, and an entire MMO, WildStar, was literally shut down because - among its many problems - the content was intentionally hard.

I can understand where you're coming from to a degree, but making dungeons even a bit harder may lead to new dungeons becoming even more difficult down the road. And contrary to what the forums say, most people do not want that.