A request for Endwalker Dungeons (No more Undertuned)

[Alestorm]

The last actually (all be it mildly so) "difficult" dungeon we had for end game was the Burn and raid boss was Thunder God, people here complained about it so it got nerfed heavily. (and Cid is STILL a gatekeeper for bad alliance groups) As much as I would love to see harder 4 man content... I doubt the devs will do it given our track record.

[ForteNightshade]

Wouldn't it be awesome to have 3 different scenarios for dungeons set on random or even more? I don't think difficulty is the real problem. Making the same encounter on different maps or different reactions by the boss. Trash packs I could care less about. It would be a lot of work for the devs but I think it would be the first of it's kind.

Not really? At least not if they're the current difficulty of Expert where I could roll my face across my keyboard and still clear. Difficulty is absolutely a factor here. While it shouldn't be hard, it should require more than a pulse. Having three different scenarios might be neat the first time, but it'll just grow stale quickly if it winds up being the same set of trash mobs and bosses that die after a mild breeze.

[Poporito_Popoto]

Doesn't sound like you have a place in this conversation if you don't know the largest reason ffxiv gained so much popularity in the past 2 months was because of what happened with WoW and the free advertising that came with streamers leaving.

Yet here I am, having to explain these things to you.

[Raikai]

While I do understand the desire for more challenging, lower player count content - regular roulette (despite being called expert roulette) will not be the place it is added. I know people don't like when other MMOs are referenced, but the early heroic dungeons in World of Warcraft's cataclysm expansion tried to bring back more challenging mechanics to its dungeon content and what happened was a tier of content that couldn't be completed by casuals, players sitting in queues for 40 minutes for a one-in-five chance of being able to clear the assigned dungeon.

The developer team has said in the past that they want dungeon content to be easily accessible to all the player base, which is a big part of why it isn't particularly challenging. The average skill level of players is surprisingly low.

It's okay if they want to leave Dungeons as it is...

But I would really love anything challegning that required just a Light party. If they add a new Deep Dungeon, it would certainly cover that niche for me.

[Bearded]

Just leave the forced MSQ dungeons and trial as they are thanks - some people (for many reasons) run these duties only when they have to in order to progress the story and do not do roulettes. Strange as that may be to some there are also many, many people who are not in best of the best gear as they simply have no desire nor interest in running the content that provides that gear. SE have done a great job in not locking out the progression on the story from casuals and providing other content for the non-casuals lets just leave it that way ok?

[TaleraRistain]

Same deal with the Qarn puzzle. Like I think it's neat but the reality isn't 4 sprouts staring at the scales intently, trying to solve the puzzle, it's someone checking a wiki for the answer or someone that has already done it and knows the answer. The little mystique these things grant on first encountering them is not worth the tedium they produce on repeat encounters in the future.

Funny thing about that is that the side area at the beginning gives you the answer.

[ItMe]

Funny thing about that is that the side area at the beginning gives you the answer.

Funny thing about that is getting the answer involves fighting 2 trash packs where botching the puzzle punishes you by making you fight 1 trash pack.
Especially since the extra chests you get either give levelling gear or randomly gives 1 person, like, a hi-potion... it's really not worth it the tedium they produce on repeat encounters in the future.

[Roda]

Funny thing about that is getting the answer involves fighting 2 trash packs where botching the puzzle punishes you by making you fight 1 trash pack.
Especially since the extra chests you get either give levelling gear or randomly gives 1 person, like, a hi-potion... it's really not worth it the tedium they produce on repeat encounters in the future.

Didn't they update them to give decent leveling gear now?

[TaleraRistain]

Funny thing about that is getting the answer involves fighting 2 trash packs where botching the puzzle punishes you by making you fight 1 trash pack.
Especially since the extra chests you get either give levelling gear or randomly gives 1 person, like, a hi-potion... it's really not worth it the tedium they produce on repeat encounters in the future.

Yet most groups I get still do the two rooms and the puzzle. I've only had one where the tank refused to do them and pushed the party to just ignore it all. And the rest of us didn't really like doing that. There's something fun about the little mini puzzles with the heads to open the doors.

[Nikki]

"Casual" does not mean "person who plays at a less than average level of effectiveness."
"harder dungeons" does not mean you'll need to form a prog group to finish the dungeon. No one is asking for extreme+ level dungeons to replace story dungeons.

But when I can post on the forums between gcds and still call the run a speed run, we've got a problem here. I'd personally like it if dungeons could once again take my eyes off my second monitor for the duration.

My answer is still the same. No thanks to harder dungeons tied to MSQ.