Mentor abuse DC on purpose

[_Pigzig]

seems to me mentor is just an excuse to get into beginner chat which is like the barrens chat of this game

[RinaB]

I had battle mentor status and chose to get rid of it. I only main 1 job and I just figured the icon brings more trouble then it's worth. I'm not sure how they can fix the mentor issues so many people are complaining about but perhaps there should be some new requirements to have the status.

[Xirean]

I'm sure many "mentors" would love it if they removed ex fights, as then they could just coast through the "mentor" roulette on their way towards the mount. A much higher chance for guildhests too!

I for one am glad that the mentor crown is being seen less and less as a status symbol. It means less and less people will want to become a mentor just for the icon, however the mount reward still remains. Unfortunately, even if they removed the mount it wouldn't fix the issue(s) plaguing NN, but that's for another thread.

I want them to remove extremes from mentor roulette or make a separate extreme roulette. The simple matter is that Extremes are overly weighted in mentor roulette as there is no other way to get in besides hard queing for that specific fight which people often do not do. Very few Extremes are actually worth teaching to a group of randoms as most of the time you get a group that won't listen ever. I try to advise people to use the party finder when I get pulled into Extremes and most people appreciate that. In my experience sprouts often do not know what Extremes even are. So they que for it expecting it to be like everything else which it just isn't. Besides why are Extremes on the Mentor roulette when Savages and coils aren't? Are savages seen as too hard? Then what about Extremes? There are some Extremes that are harder than some Savages and honestly I feel like the terms are interchangeable at this point.

[SturmChurro]

I want them to remove extremes from mentor roulette or make a separate extreme roulette. The simple matter is that Extremes are overly weighted in mentor roulette as there is no other way to get in besides hard queing for that specific fight which people often do not do. Very few Extremes are actually worth teaching to a group of randoms as most of the time you get a group that won't listen ever. I try to advise people to use the party finder when I get pulled into Extremes and most people appreciate that. In my experience sprouts often do not know what Extremes even are. So they que for it expecting it to be like everything else which it just isn't. Besides why are Extremes on the Mentor roulette when Savages and coils aren't? Are savages seen as too hard? Then what about Extremes? There are some Extremes that are harder than some Savages and honestly I feel like the terms are interchangeable at this point.

I might be able to consider extremes being moved from mentor roulette to their own roulette as a good thing... as long as the mount is removed from mentor roulette specifically. Maybe even moved to this new 'extreme' roulette for a large amount of clears perhaps? That way the people doing the mentor roulette are there to be a mentor, and not just working their way towards a reward.

[Xirean]

I might be able to consider extremes being moved from mentor roulette to their own roulette as a good thing... as long as the mount is removed from mentor roulette specifically. Maybe even moved to this new 'extreme' roulette for a large amount of clears perhaps? That way the people doing the mentor roulette are there to be a mentor, and not just working their way towards a reward.

I think you're too focused on punishing people. There's nothing wrong with going for a reward nor is there anything wrong with having a system that tries to encourage responsibility. The overall player-base however has shown that it doesn't care. There's no fixed definition of what a mentor even is and the screen shot posted earlier is open for interpretation in so many ways. The majority of the player base likes teaching people how to play, especially new people. Everyone in that sense is a mentor.

I've mentioned before that I would prefer there be a "Fill Roulette" that has pretty much everything or actually everything on it that becomes accessible to people as they finish expansions. Delete mentor and put the mount on that.

[SturmChurro]

I think you're too focused on punishing people. There's nothing wrong with going for a reward nor is there anything wrong with having a system that tries to encourage responsibility. The overall player-base however has shown that it doesn't care. There's no fixed definition of what a mentor even is and the screen shot posted earlier is open for interpretation in so many ways. The majority of the player base likes teaching people how to play, especially new people. Everyone in that sense is a mentor.

No. As to the topic of this thread, there are mentors DC'ing to avoid the in-game punishment. When going after the reward trumps actually doing what the role of "mentor" and what the roulette is intended for, I think there is a problem here. How exactly is it a punishment anyway? A mentor should relish the chance at being able to actually help new players regardless of the content, whether it's a extreme or a guildhest. Part of the reason there even is a desirable reward included is to encourage these type of clears, unfortunately that just hasn't worked out.

If extremes were removed, but the reward remains, the "mentors" - like this thread describes - get exactly what they want: spamming quick clears for achievement progress. It in fact encourages nothing, and the actual "extreme roulette" would be devoid of 'experienced' activity, unless there was something tied to it. That is why I made a quick suggestion of moving the mount to that hypothetical roulette. Completely logical. This is not a punishment, but an encouragement.

I've mentioned before that I would prefer there be a "Fill Roulette" that has pretty much everything or actually everything on it that becomes accessible to people as they finish expansions. Delete mentor and put the mount on that.

Deleting mentor is most definitely the best solution available. I can get behind that.

[Misutoraru]

seems to me mentor is just an excuse to get into beginner chat which like the barrens chat of this game

At this stage the whole mentor/spout program have go astray

Novice channel become a global chat room that usually turn into exchanges of insults of different political views. Those have genuine questions or seeking guidance usually got bury

EX roulette is a gamble sometimes spouts not wanting to learn or refuse to listen, sometimes you have mentor jump ship before the duty start

Remove the mount and the novice chat room will probably result in dramatic drop of mentors. Which might be a good thing.

[ScarletDawn]

At this stage the whole mentor/spout program have go astray

Novice channel become a global chat room that usually turn into exchanges of insults of different political views. Those have genuine questions or seeking guidance usually got bury

EX roulette is a gamble sometimes spouts not wanting to learn or refuse to listen, sometimes you have mentor jump ship before the duty start

Remove the mount and the novice chat room will probably result in dramatic drop of mentors. Which might be a good thing.

Hmmm lich is different sure we have our chat but its the off topic chat that gets dropped as soon as someone asks a question, as for que well i cant do it since missing some.

[Eien713]

I think you're too focused on punishing people. There's nothing wrong with going for a reward.

Exactly. I don't get the mentality of "Mentors have to suffer to get the mount." It just sounds so sadistic and full of pettiness and spite. Why are people so fixated on this particular reward and want to make it hell for people to get? As long as mentors (i) fill the queues, (ii) offer advice (not teach, because others need to make an effort too) about gameplay or mechanics, (iii) are polite and respectful, and (iv) don't jump ship when they get something they don't like (other than Ex trials after a few tries because I can see why they'd wanna bail in this case, though I don't condone this myself), then I'd say they're doing their "job" and deserve to be rewarded for it. Now whether the mentor gets an instance as easy as a guildhest or some high-end content is really up to luck and not the mentor's fault ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

If you wanna remove the reward altogether, lemme ask you: Why are you so adamant on this? What's so wrong with doing content and getting rewarded for it? This is no different from any other reward we have in the game. Also, the only thing that might happen from removing Ex trials from the roulette is that the mount will be more accessible and will thus lose its "prestige" value. I personally wouldn't care about this. I only went after the mount because I love horses and wanted a 2-seater horse to use when I'm with the person I play the game with. I have 0 interest in the mount's prestige and don't care if it loses it.

The way I see it, people who say that Ex trials are the only thing that makes mentors worth their salt seem to ignore all other aspects of being a mentor and to also absolve other players of their responsibility by dumping everything on the mentors. I've gotten tired of repeating this but here we go: Mentors help--they don't carry. People are always quick to turn on mentors and rip them to shreds, but they don't seem to put nearly as much focus on (i) players who do a crappy job at playing their classes because they couldn't be bothered to read their tooltips or look up a guide, (ii) players who are bad at the game and still don't accept advice, or (iii) those who don't look up guides when doing Ex trials in DF or don't follow instructions when they're given in the instance.

Mentors also suffer abuse by the playerbase and go through some horrors in Mentor Roulette but who cares about that, am I right? -.-

[Shin96]

Lmao look at all the haters hating on Mentors just because a few of them suck. This is what happens when you take a pixelated icon too seriously. I earned my crown kiddo, not gonna give it up.