Mentor abuse DC on purpose

[nebby00]

While a sprout/returner can hide their icon, a player has to choose to become a mentor after earning a specific amount of commendations, clears, levels, etc.. A mentor has to also accept a prompt that states that mentors are expected to be an "exemplar" of player etiquette, among other things. This means that a mentor has chosen to be held at a higher standard. A sprout/returner is not comparable here. For that matter, a mentor's crown is back on when they do mentor roulette: where they get extremes. So when so many mentors are acting contrary to the expectations of being a mentor, it makes sense that that reflects badly on all mentors, as it shouldn't be so common. This is why without constant oversight by SE this system will never work, in my opinion. Having a desirable award tied to mentor roulette clears, only exacerbates the issue, as you get "mentors" like this thread describes.

Reference:

This, all of this right here.

Yes, there are some mentors who are the good/nice mentors; who will go out of their way to help other players and stay around for whatever their roulette gives them. However, again all it takes for majority of the player base to turn against the mentors is one bad apple. That is human nature, people once they have negative experiences from a specific group then puts all of that group into a box and label it "this is bad". This mentality grows worse when they experience more and more negative experiences from this specific group; in this case mentors.

Honestly, in the two years I have been playing, admittedly I've had a lot of negative experiences with mentors and only on a handful can I count the good experiences I had and it was from only four mentors. Four out of the dozen or so negative interactions with mentors who don't want to actually mentor; nor are they pleasant to be around. They either leave after the first wipe, leave from a farming party after the first completion, yell at sprouts in dungeons, or mess up mechanics themselves then blame everyone else for their failure. It isn't to say that there aren't sprouts/returners/regular players who are equally unpleasant, but the mentors stand out much more since they are expected in the terms to hold themselves at a higher standard than the rest of the player base. But unfortunately, most people go for the burger king crown for the mount. That's it. They don't want to help players, they use the NN as a glorified chat room, and I've seen some weird roleplay when I first started playing two years ago in the NN, drowning out the sprouts that actually wanted some advice that made me bail immediately.

Mentors need to be held accountable for their actions, but the NN is unmoderated and needs someone looking over the interactions in there; otherwise get rid of the system altogether since it's certainly not being used the right way.

[Awha]

Mentors are just players people really need to stop holding them to a higher standard. Sure that may be the idea behind the system but that is not the reality. Accept the reality that you will run into good and bad people and play the game.

[nebby00]

Mentors are just players people really need to stop holding them to a higher standard. Sure that may be the idea behind the system but that is not the reality. Accept the reality that you will run into good and bad people and play the game.

We do accept the reality that there will be good and bad mentors. All it takes is just reporting the bad ones with their behavior, and making sure that it message comes across that the bad behavior isn't supposed to be tolerated. I don't spend much more than a few seconds over bad mentors, laugh and hit report and move on with my day. But it doesn't excuse the fact once you apply for mentorship you are a mentor; therefore you get put in the spotlight when that little mentor icon is next to your name. Don't want to be put to a higher standard? Don't apply for mentorship.

[Awha]

We do accept the reality that there will be good and bad mentors. All it takes is just reporting the bad ones with their behavior, and making sure that it message comes across that the bad behavior isn't supposed to be tolerated. I don't spend much more than a few seconds over bad mentors, laugh and hit report and move on with my day. But it doesn't excuse the fact once you apply for mentorship you are a mentor; therefore you get put in the spotlight when that little mentor icon is next to your name. Don't want to be put to a higher standard? Don't apply for mentorship.

By all means report them, but way I see it GM’s hardly enforce their standards on mentors so I really cannot blame people if they ignore the rules. Rules / standards without enforcement are pointless. It legitimately is a pointless role / system people really get too caught up with the ideal of the mentor in my opinion.

That is why I have always been a fan of the idea of turning the crown in a bag of shit, cause honestly that is what the entire system is, a bag of shit.

Take the 30min penalty
or
do not join mentor roulette if you are not up for the task that throw at you

Why take the timer if one could just pretend to DC and wait to be removed? Not like a GM will be able to prove you did not really DC?

[nebby00]

By all means report them, but way I see it GM’s hardly enforce their standards on mentors so I really cannot blame people if they ignore the rules. Rules / standards without enforcement are pointless.

True, I do wish that GM's did moderate the NN and mentors with their behavior. The situation has only gotten worse with more mentors only going through the system for the mount alone. And if people feel like they can get away with bad behavior, 99% of the time they'll do it. It's kind of a bit saddening that it needs moderation... but really you can't trust people to actually put themselves to a certain standard without being watched.

That is why I have always been a fan of the idea of turning the crown in a bag of shit, cause honestly that is what the entire system is, a bag of shit.

Pfft! This actually made me laugh a bit, thanks for that XD

[Snorky]

I am in favor of getting rid of mentor system only if they remove the rewards from doing roulette and retroactively remove people earned mounts, or they give everyone mounts that could be earned from the roulette system. Otherwise leave the mentor system alone if you don't like it don't become a mentor. Of they are rude or dcing a lot report them. A pattern will emerge for this person.

[Misutoraru]

I am in favor of getting rid of mentor system only if they remove the rewards from doing roulette and retroactively remove people earned mounts, or they give everyone mounts that could be earned from the roulette system. Otherwise leave the mentor system alone if you don't like it don't become a mentor. Of they are rude or dcing a lot report them. A pattern will emerge for this person.

Remove it +1
the Mentor crown like a police or firefighter badge represent certain virtues
now it become a world wide chat room always turn into political
and many Mentors just want to farm mounts and many spouts refuse to be taught

[Katie_Kitty]

They're not your slave, they are a human being playing a game in their free time. Deal with it.

[Caurcas]

Give me a global chat and I might ditch the crown. Until then, I am the burger king. Deal with it.

[SturmChurro]

I'm sure many "mentors" would love it if they removed ex fights, as then they could just coast through the "mentor" roulette on their way towards the mount. A much higher chance for guildhests too!

I for one am glad that the mentor crown is being seen less and less as a status symbol. It means less and less people will want to become a mentor just for the icon, however the mount reward still remains. Unfortunately, even if they removed the mount it wouldn't fix the issue(s) plaguing NN, but that's for another thread.