Mentor abuse DC on purpose

[Xirean]

I think people are missing a simple matter here. If the role Mentor is removed than all rewards tied to it HAVE to go somewhere. SE wouldn't just drop it nor take it away from people who already have it. I don't think the Mentor system should be a thing especially with how the game presently is structured because the only thing that gives any inference as to what a Mentor is supposed to do is the text blerb upon picking it up which is very vague and open to interpretation.

I'm never surprised when I hear stories about Mentors bailing on Extremes. They suck if you weren't really planning on doing them. As far as I'm concerned Extremes are just raids with a different name. Why then to be a Mentor does someone HAVE to also be a raider? I'd much rather direct people who want to raid toward resources to help them achieve that which I do very frequently.

If you want to talk about making the Mentor system into a better system then lets talk about that. But if you just want to bash someone for using a system then I have no respect for you. I don't care that the Mentor in this discussion was doing dumb shit to get out. They shouldn't have been put in that situation to begin with. Systems encourage behavior. Putting a nice reward does not just suddenly make people bite a bullet and do what they don't want; MSQ is a perfect example of that. Nice reward to que into it even though it sucks. Yet there are still various ways to "ruin" the experience for people in there just to make it go by faster. And any time those threads pop up people tell the complainer to shove it. The only difference is a stupid crown that people put WAY too much expectation on.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

There shouldn't be any rewards for being a mentor.

[Katie_Kitty]

There shouldn't be any rewards for being a mentor.

Pretty naive perspective honestly. Do you know how many people will bother with mentor roulette if you offer no reward for it? About 2 people maybe. Who's gonna fill those roulette parties then?

[RitsukoSonoda]

Pretty naive perspective honestly. Do you know how many people will bother with mentor roulette if you offer no reward for it? About 2 people maybe. Who's gonna fill those roulette parties then?

It wouldn't really have an impact on the number of people that mentor to actually be a mentor. It would just get rid of the people like the ones everyone is complaining about that only want the mentor rewards and aren't even contributing anything positive to the system.

[Katie_Kitty]

It wouldn't really have an impact on the number of people that mentor to actually be a mentor. It would just get rid of the people like the ones everyone is complaining about that only want the mentor rewards and aren't even contributing anything positive to the system.

It's incredibly naive to believe this. People are not going to be running mentor roulette in remotely the numbers we see today if there is zero reward. Mentor roulette is relied upon to fill queues, so they will never do this.

[RitsukoSonoda]

It's incredibly naive to believe this. People are not going to be running mentor roulette in remotely the numbers we see today if there is zero reward. Mentor roulette is relied upon to fill queues, so they will never do this.

They're not really filling a queue IMO if they're bailing out on a large portion of the duties in the roulette because they don't want to do it or I suspect in many cases lack the player skill to do it. So why have those people there in the first place to be a hinderance to everyone else?

The other route they could go is to create a larger deterrent to abandoning duties. Since a number of these mentors are just trying to express run their way to a reward, ban a player from being able to queue mentor roulette for 24 hours if they leave a duty as an example.

[Misutoraru]

It wouldn't really have an impact on the number of people that mentor to actually be a mentor. It would just get rid of the people like the ones everyone is complaining about that only want the mentor rewards and aren't even contributing anything positive to the system.

Worth a try

I see quite a lot of people jump ship when EX trial pop up especially later one

EX trial are done via PF unsyn most of the time

Other than EX trial and Savage, all the content can be easily coach inside the run

We could have a volunteer mentor system, no actual reward, no roulette, just a list of online mentors which can only be seen by spout for them to ask question and assistance

Those who actually want to help could help, and weed out those who just want the mount

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Pretty naive perspective honestly. Do you know how many people will bother with mentor roulette if you offer no reward for it? About 2 people maybe. Who's gonna fill those roulette parties then?

Nah u just have people who want to help instead of people who are just there for the mount.

[nebby00]

I still stand by there shouldn't have been any rewards for being a mentor; the reward should be the pleasant feeling you get after seeing a party full of sprouts overcome that extreme trial; or seeing a grateful sprout for the advice you've given them. Honestly, mentorship shouldn't have existed in the first place. I go out of my way to help people in game, if they're struggling and occasionally I queue for EX trials in duty Finder just for the heck of it and wind up teaching the sprouts mechanics after the mentor bails.. and we clear all the time.

It's just a matter of people who are in the system for mentors; they go for the reward of the mount and nothing else. Yes, there are sprouts who don't learn and are generally unpleasant, but the majority of sprouts do want to learn and are willing to listen if you actually don't act like a jerk and bail or yell at them then leave. And a lot of people are still are the free trial; meaning they can't use the Party Finder system, thus blocking them from even joining Party Finders for extreme trials, so that advice isn't really advice for those on free trial.

And if people bail because they got something they don't like in roulette.. which you're accepting that you'll get any duty in the game when you go in; don't bail. If you feel like you're going to waste your time which you don't want to do; don't do Mentor roulette.

And again; like I said before, all it takes is one bad apple to ruin the bunch. That is human nature, and the only reason why a lot of the good mentors are experiencing a lot of backlash nowadays is because of the bad ones. It's why I think the NN and mentorship in general should be moderated, if not straight out removed from the game.

[RitsukoSonoda]

*Puts Mentor crown on and finds 7 sprouts*
*Tells sprouts to poke a giant murder hornet nest with sticks*
*Watches 6 sprouts run off and poke murder hornet nest with sticks and get stung all to hell before coming back*
*Looks at the 1 sprout that didn't poke the nest*

Ok now that I know who the smart one is, what did the rest of you learn? :P