the immersion problem made by glams

[SamsaraTrickstar]

You appear to not be very familiar with fantasy as a genre.
There is a lot of fantasy that is set in the modern world, as well as a large number of different historical settings, so clearly fantasy is not limited to the pseudo-medieval stuff.
Fantasy does not imply a certain type of clothing, nor any special aesthetic.

you may nit be then. a pure fantasy will be set in a fantasy world what we call high fantasy. FF14 got most of the elements for high fantasy but its got unique to it self elements as well. we can call it magitek. when the fantasy seting is the modern world its modern fantasy. or just magic not even fantasy.

[kaynide]

Final Fantasy is not High Fantasy though. It never/has never really meant to be. Even the most “High Fantasy” of FF titles includes sci-fi elements. Heck, the very first FF title had the Flying Fortress, revealed to be a space station built by a “technologically advanced race”. This was retconned in later editions to be more Castle in the Sky, but the original NES had us in the stars.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

Final Fantasy is not High Fantasy though. It never/has never really meant to be. Even the most “High Fantasy” of FF titles includes sci-fi elements. Heck, the very first FF title had the Flying Fortress, revealed to be a space station built by a “technologically advanced race”. This was retconned in later editions to be more Castle in the Sky, but the original NES had us in the stars.

what sci-fi elements are not made by magic in ff?

[Fenrir95]

what we got in FF14 (and most of them) is magical technology or magitek. if we really want to give FF more accurate definition it be magitek. not sci/fi. notihng in the world if ff works on scientific principles but on magic. thats what make it more of fantasy. wahts more what modern looking city we got in 14?

I feel I need to correct this because it's outright wrong. Only Eorzean Technology works on Magitech and in anyway uses pure magic to power itself, and not even all Eorzean Technology does that, there's also Clockwork Technology which doesn't use magic at all and is much miore steampunky, and then on top of that there's Allagan Technology which mixes Aether into advanced Tech to do some crazy shit, the Allagans have everything from Holographic Screens straight out of Star Wars, to Bioengineering, to fucking SPACE SHIPS. Then we go to Garlemalds Technology which is an entirely different beast all together, it, again, doesn't use Aether AT ALL, it uses Cerelum, which is more of a fuel, like irl Oil or Gas, and the Garleans have insanely advanced Tech, cloning, genetic manipulation, massive flying machines, shock collars, etc etc. FF14 is NOT pure High Fantasy. Deal With It.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

I feel I need to correct this because it's outright wrong. Only Eorzean Technology works on Magitech and in anyway uses pure magic to power itself, and not even all Eorzean Technology does that, there's also Clockwork Technology which doesn't use magic at all and is much miore steampunky, and then on top of that there's Allagan Technology which mixes Aether into advanced Tech to do some crazy shit, the Allagans have everything from Holographic Screens straight out of Star Wars, to Bioengineering, to fucking SPACE SHIPS. Then we go to Garlemalds Technology which is an entirely different beast all together, it, again, doesn't use Aether AT ALL, it uses Cerelum, which is more of a fuel, like irl Oil or Gas, and the Garleans have insanely advanced Tech, cloning, genetic manipulation, massive flying machines, shock collars, etc etc. FF14 is NOT pure High Fantasy. Deal With It.

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

[Fenrir95]

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

They do not. Garlean tech runs on Cerelum Fuel which isn't really magic, it's closer to irl Oil, like I pointed out, Clockwork Technology is similar, more steampunky but it doesn't use Aether or Crystals as it's power source. Only Allagan Tech and Eorzean Magitech do that if we're being technical, but let me put it this way, FF7 is in NO WAY Pure High Fantasy, most of it's tech technically uses "magic", in fact Garlemald is more or less the same as FF7's technology. Like it or not there is a distinction between Magic and Technology in FF14, yes it's all aether based, but that does not make the setting High Fnatasy, it is not, never has been, and never will be.

[MsQi]

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

Magic can't make a maid outfit?

[SamsaraTrickstar]

Magic can't make a maid outfit?

at what point did i say i dont like the maid outfit? and it do not made by magic. or is it a modern thing

[kaynide]

what sci-fi elements are not made by magic in ff?

A few points:

1) I'm not sure what the point of your question is. Everyone here has been telling you that FF is fantasy with sci-fi elements. No one is arguing it's pure Sci-Fi.

2) Since you asked,

Final Fantasy is not High Fantasy though. It never/has never really meant to be. Even the most “High Fantasy” of FF titles includes sci-fi elements. Heck, the very first FF title had the Flying Fortress, revealed to be a space station built by a “technologically advanced race”. This was retconned in later editions to be more Castle in the Sky, but the original NES had us in the stars.

Heck, the very first FF title had the Flying Fortress, revealed to be a space station built by a “technologically advanced race”.

a space station

3) You seem to be confused as to what Fantasy even means. As others have said, what you're trying to describe with wizards/pure magic is "High Fantasy". It does not encompass all fantasy: Harry Potter is an example of a fantasy in a modern setting.

4) A well known quote by Arthur C. Clark "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Many Sci-Fi stories have weird elements that are essentially "magic". The Spice from Dune and how it works is, essentially, magical. The mineral Unobtainium from the Avatar movie similarly defies science as we know it.


It’s not on me to explain stuff to someone who doesn’t want to see it. You want to the game to be something it isn’t- a High Fantasy. As others have pointed out repeatedly, it’s not a high fantasy. Fantasy has a broad meaning- even the Marvel Avengers series can be seen as fantasy.

There is nothing else to really say on it.

[Saraide]

what we got in FF14 (and most of them) is magical technology or magitek. if we really want to give FF more accurate definition it be magitek. not sci/fi. notihng in the world if ff works on scientific principles but on magic. thats what make it more of fantasy. wahts more what modern looking city we got in 14?

Have you not seen the pictures and artworks of garlemald?