the immersion problem made by glams

[Fenrir95]

what we got in FF14 (and most of them) is magical technology or magitek. if we really want to give FF more accurate definition it be magitek. not sci/fi. notihng in the world if ff works on scientific principles but on magic. thats what make it more of fantasy. wahts more what modern looking city we got in 14?

I feel I need to correct this because it's outright wrong. Only Eorzean Technology works on Magitech and in anyway uses pure magic to power itself, and not even all Eorzean Technology does that, there's also Clockwork Technology which doesn't use magic at all and is much miore steampunky, and then on top of that there's Allagan Technology which mixes Aether into advanced Tech to do some crazy shit, the Allagans have everything from Holographic Screens straight out of Star Wars, to Bioengineering, to fucking SPACE SHIPS. Then we go to Garlemalds Technology which is an entirely different beast all together, it, again, doesn't use Aether AT ALL, it uses Cerelum, which is more of a fuel, like irl Oil or Gas, and the Garleans have insanely advanced Tech, cloning, genetic manipulation, massive flying machines, shock collars, etc etc. FF14 is NOT pure High Fantasy. Deal With It.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

I feel I need to correct this because it's outright wrong. Only Eorzean Technology works on Magitech and in anyway uses pure magic to power itself, and not even all Eorzean Technology does that, there's also Clockwork Technology which doesn't use magic at all and is much miore steampunky, and then on top of that there's Allagan Technology which mixes Aether into advanced Tech to do some crazy shit, the Allagans have everything from Holographic Screens straight out of Star Wars, to Bioengineering, to fucking SPACE SHIPS. Then we go to Garlemalds Technology which is an entirely different beast all together, it, again, doesn't use Aether AT ALL, it uses Cerelum, which is more of a fuel, like irl Oil or Gas, and the Garleans have insanely advanced Tech, cloning, genetic manipulation, massive flying machines, shock collars, etc etc. FF14 is NOT pure High Fantasy. Deal With It.

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

[Fenrir95]

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

They do not. Garlean tech runs on Cerelum Fuel which isn't really magic, it's closer to irl Oil, like I pointed out, Clockwork Technology is similar, more steampunky but it doesn't use Aether or Crystals as it's power source. Only Allagan Tech and Eorzean Magitech do that if we're being technical, but let me put it this way, FF7 is in NO WAY Pure High Fantasy, most of it's tech technically uses "magic", in fact Garlemald is more or less the same as FF7's technology. Like it or not there is a distinction between Magic and Technology in FF14, yes it's all aether based, but that does not make the setting High Fnatasy, it is not, never has been, and never will be.

[MsQi]

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

Magic can't make a maid outfit?

[SamsaraTrickstar]

Magic can't make a maid outfit?

at what point did i say i dont like the maid outfit? and it do not made by magic. or is it a modern thing

[MsQi]

at what point did i say i dont like the maid outfit? and it do not made by magic. or is it a modern thing

Sorry if the abstraction was too hard. The point is you can't just create this litmus test based on your own perceptions (eg: Magic allowed, not magic not allowed.) This isn't about immersion, but about what you like. Anything you say doesn't fit is based on a perception of the FFXIV world that isn't in line with what the FFXIV world actually is. Any item we see in the world is there because the creators of this world decided to put it in this world. People should ask where things came from though. There are things that are obviously of this world, while other things seem to have come from other worlds, but they are here now.

[Penthea]

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

Very very wrong in FFXIV alone, never mind throwing in other mainline games in as well. FFVII, VIII, XIII (1, 2 and 3) and XV have loads of modern tech in them and often their tech far outpaces what we in the real world currently have. In FFXIV there is an entire nation that relies almost exclusively on tech - the Garleans. The msq made a point to say that pure-blooded Garleans cannot manipulate aether so they had to turn to technology in order to compete with magic users. Yes in some cases they use tech to interact with crystals but most of their tech relies on ceruleum which is a natural resource in the world quite like oil and gas. Aside from that tech they rely on conscripted soldiers of other races to have magic users in their armies. It's actually because of the Garlean industrial revolution that they gained the power to become a huge empire.

Also the Garleans often think of themselves as the heirs to Allagan technology, to the point that they call primals "eikons" just like they did. The Allagans did use magic but they also developed technology that completely overpowered it, which is evident in the Bahamut and Warring Triad storylines.

[Caitlyn]

Also the Garleans often think of themselves as the heirs to Allagan technology, to the point that they call primals "eikons" just like they did. The Allagans did use magic but they also developed technology that completely overpowered it, which is evident in the Bahamut and Warring Triad storylines.

Not to mention, that allagan technology is looking very sci-fi (late allagan gear, lost allagan gear, maybe ironworks gear).

I dont see much high fantasy elements in the gunbreaker, machinist or sage. Those are more modern jobs.

You (not the person I ve quoted) think high school-, maid- or other modern outfits are immersion breaking? Wait for that Roe in a metallic pink pig suit wearing a big chocobo head ; )


PS: Yes, the flying elephant or spinning turtle is still a thing. No matter how you explain it, it just looks weird ; )

[Wolven_Essence]

you are in now way wrong but all of this things are based in magic. they all run on some form of magic or magical crystals

Even if this was true, it isn't, the other poster pointed out examples of how it isn't, but even if it was, it is irrelevant. But even if the technology was purely based on magic, that still takes it out of high fantasy simply because that technology exists. Some of Brandon Sanderson's worlds have technology that runs purely off of the magic of those worlds and no one would call those worlds high fantasy. Hell, Stormlight Archive has that kind of technology and some of their fashion styles do look more more modernistic.