Controversioal Changes to Monk

[Jirah]

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Disagree completely and once again I do not approve of jobs shrinking down to a base than to be a complete job. And yet again MCH isn’t some pioneer of job innovation it was a reduction to get to the drawing board and most of its mechanics were never added on just removed. And I’d hardly call it’s current incantation remotely comparable to any job in the game 1-2-3, OGCD weave is all MCH has but I’ve argued this to death and of course it makes sense MCH “mains” want MNK to be simpler as they requested this for SMN, SCH, BRD, AST and even DRK despite it already getting a half baked reduction too.

long story short, don’t pray for jobs to get easier cuz keeping a dot up is too hard, pray to be better players. if MNK has any MCH rework it would be harmless than beneficial more so since it’s what MNK mains detest the most as seen here with the ridiculous removal of positional

[dezzmont]

Disagree completely

Way to not read what I actually wrote because I literally said "I don't think the MCH change is that good" like 3 times in that post and don't think it was ultimately a great rework save for actually giving MCH highpoints.

The interesting thing to take away from MCH is that highpoints for your job, the gamefeel of it, is more important than its actual mechanical depth for success, but if you just add that the job feels totally hollow. Not that MCH is actually a good job right now, which is why I was literally responding to someone saying "I hope we get a MCH style rework" with "I actually kinda don't, but here is what MCH did that made it more popular despite being a kinda hollow job and why that matters looking at Monk and its future."

But language is imprecise and nuance is hard to convey over text, and threading the needle of 'Listen I get the job shouldn't be dumbed down but you realize its awful and the fact there are so many outsider complaints shows there are actual serious problems with the job, even if a lot of the things they specifically ask for don't make sense' is hard.