Asmongold on NSFW mods

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Why? Are you saying that thoughts alone should be enough to convict people of crimes now?

What about people who enjoy simulated murder in video games? That's even a step beyond just thinking about it.

Hallowed’s perspective is commonplace. It’s partially why some pre-offense pedos don’t seek treatment. The moment they open their mouths it’s a highly risky dice roll. They risk everything. It’s not like being a drunkard or addict - because admittance of that particular problem can get you killed or ruin your life - and this is strictly for pre-offense individuals.

You're not allowed to sympathize with the people seeking treatment either. Or you're viewed as just as problematic.

[Raiya]

can this thread be locked now?

Honestly I wish they would just lock the thing, like any other forced drama thread it's quickly collapsed in on itself into a black hole of idiocy and stupidity in which nothing of intelligence can escape. D:

[LittleImp]

Why? Are you saying that thoughts alone should be enough to convict people of crimes now?

What about people who enjoy simulated murder in video games? That's even a step beyond just thinking about it.

A key difference is that a pedophile can actually offend through the game.

I don't think it's a good idea to allow pedophiles to associate and perform cathartic release on a platform they're sharing with real children.

[Awha]

You pretty much said there is no help for it, they shouldn't be allowed to coexist with children period, and that means restricting their lives. It's pure selfishness to think about themselves in this situation rather than the people whose life they could put in danger, and utterly ruin.

No help in the sense that we can change who or what they find themselves attracted to but we can help them from acting on their impulses.

As you said key word is could, it is not a guarantee. The stimga makes it hard for people to seek help which in turn increase the potential for harm to be done.

[Goji1639]

A key difference is that a pedophile can actually offend through the game.

I don't think it's a good idea to allow pedophiles to associate and perform cathartic release on a platform they're sharing with real children.

Any number of potential abuses can be facilitated through online video games, though. Online communities in general have never been a safe place for unattended children, so what do you propose?

The distinction between targeting children, and doing adult things in an a place where children may be wandering around unsupervised, needs to be acknowledged. This is a game that happens to have adults playing it, and adults sometimes engage in adult activities. We're not here to raise or protect anyone's children.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

This is a game that happens to have adults playing it, and adults sometimes engage in adult activities. We're not here to raise or protect anyone's children.

People would insist otherwise. For some reason.

And since I personally dislike children as well teens, I tend to avoid them completely because they don’t make for good company. I cuss a fair amount, talk about mature topics and enjoy voice chat, so hearing a child on the other end of the conversation weirds me out.

If I’m expected to raise a stranger’s child I’ll just take the steps needed to avoid them in the first place.

[LittleImp]

This is a game that happens to have adults playing it, and adults sometimes engage in adult activities. We're not here to raise or protect anyone's children.

When you allow a modding scene like this to exist unchecked, it attracts additional potential predators to the game that wouldn't otherwise play it. This is seen in virtually any other multiplayer game that allows this kind of thing, and has been that way for years stretching back to games like Neverwinter Nights. Enforcing the existing ToS as it is written would likely reduce the total amount of 'incidents' that happen on this game.

You have to be incredibly obtuse to not understand why allowing people to engage in fantasies around child exploitation in a space they share with children is a really, really bad idea.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

You can technically say ‘we can’t allow this’ - yet it likely still exists in over abundance on social media; and the people who create it don’t care whether you approve or not - nor do their followers. In order to effectively stop it you need to strip out the adult NSFW as well by getting rid of the ability to access the tools in the first place. Basically a scorched earth policy.

[Goji1639]

When you allow a modding scene like this to exist unchecked, it attracts additional potential predators to the game that wouldn't otherwise play it. This is seen in virtually any other multiplayer game that allows this kind of thing, and has been that way for years stretching back to games like Neverwinter Nights. Enforcing the existing ToS as it is written would likely reduce the total amount of 'incidents' that happen on this game.

You have to be incredibly obtuse to not understand why allowing people to engage in fantasies around child exploitation in a space they share with children is a really, really bad idea.

If it attracts predators that's unfortunate, but it's incidental.

I'm not saying SE has to allow any community elements it doesn't want in it's game, but removing something only because of some indirect threat it may pose to children is stupid. A lot of adult activities/entertainment encourage violent or erotic inclinations in adults, and may create elements in a community that aren't safe for children. These things shouldn't be taken away from adults, though... If parents want to allow their children to play games online with adults they're the ones that need to navigate these elements and protect their children.

[DreadCrow]

Its not stupidly around considering there have been players requesting at the least to play as young forms of races, a link was provided from Yoshi P, so its not stupidly around.

Can you positively say to us 100% that there isn't people that want to use NSFW mods to lewd certain NPCs in this game or change NPCs to look like children and to look lewd?

This is part of the argument and the interviewee even brought up that such a thing is a no no and this topic, so no, its part of the discussion.

My point stands, crusades against people like that is warranted.

Any person that mods anything to cause minors or those with childlike look to look lewd is a pedo, no ifs, buts or maybes.

Even in the NSFW side of various modding communities, the sort of mods you think are commonplace... Aren't. While I'm not as familiar with FFXIV modding as I am Bethesda games, I don't know any site that allows you to "lewd children". That sort of thing is genuinely looked down upon, no matter what game you're playing.