The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[Endariel]

While I do not particularly care about filling the holes, i do mind about changing the orientation of the side noliths.
This changes my perception of the icon from being "serious" to a more "festival"
This looks like a confetti now

[Theodric]

Now c'mon now.

That's not throwing a fit, though. It's expressing concern by weighing in on an issue.

Throwing a fit would be an angry rant and attacking other posters - which I have most certainly not done.

Though the simply fact that so many in this thread seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to accuse others of lacking empathy as well as imply that they're bad people for not jumping with joy each and every time a company does something like this says it all, really.

For starters, it reveals that the self-same individuals aren't actually all that virtuous after all - but as we've seen with certain companies and famous individuals of late, the louder one is about their supposed tolerance and virtue the more skeletons they have hidden within their closet.

That yet another 'empathy' comment was made right as I typed this up is but the icing on the cake. Wondrous timing, really.

[Caitlyn]

I want to make some clarifaction, why I dont like the new icon.

First of all, I plan to be Sage main. I practised alot as Noct-AST and since the new AST will be WHM 2.0, I want to stick with the new shield healer. And lets be honest, those nouliths are lit. Its like MCH with shields and lasers. And I totally love the ne AF gear.

I have no problems with removing the holes. In my opinion it sounds a bit ridicilous to be afraid of 3 1/2 holes in a tiny job icon. But who am I to judge about that? SE could make that change without any reason and I would be ok with that. I assume, the holes represent the magitek (?) nature of the nouliths.

What really bothers me is, that SE didnt remove ALL the holes (one is still there). And they changed the angle, position and size of all nouliths within the new icon.

In the old version, all nouliths got the same size and angle, perfectly alligned. The the old icon represent this job almost perfectly. With the new icon, one noulith is way bigger, while the other 2 are awkward aligned. And the last one even have a hole in it. I guess SE wants to add some perspektive to it. But it doesnt match with the other plain job icons now.

Or in short: SE changed the icon from a perfect, symmetrical design to something chaotic and ugly. There was no need for such a drastic change.

Here is the "new" one. One with a hole, one big and two which have a weird angle now. It looks like it represents something sexual in my opinion xD


This is my redesign I posted on page 19. No holes. No angles. All identical. Like the nouliths in the game. The top one isnt perfect (sorry).

[Amnmaat]

That's not throwing a fit, though. It's expressing concern by weighing in on an issue.

Throwing a fit would be an angry rant and attacking other posters - which I have most certainly not done.

Though the simply fact that so many in this thread seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to accuse others of lacking empathy as well as imply that they're bad people for not jumping with joy each and every time a company does something like this says it all, really.

For starters, it reveals that the self-same individuals aren't actually all that virtuous after all - but as we've seen with certain companies and famous individuals of late, the louder one is about their supposed tolerance and virtue the more skeletons they have hidden within their closet.

That yet another 'empathy' comment was made right as I typed this up is but the icing on the cake. Wondrous timing, really.

All they do is ad hominen.
Attack the person, not the topic at hand; the few same people have perfected the use of it.

[Lauront]

That's probably the case for most people on and off the forums. I know it is for me. This thread is mostly the same group of people expressing their discontent over and over with the rest wondering what the big deal is. That's their right, but...I think they are making a big deal out of something small.

And one can make the same statement about the thread originating the request. So there we have it.

[Jijifli]

You right sis, but the leatherworker one I wouldn't call irregular.

Those are mostly symmetrical.

I wouldn't say the sage one was irregular either. The image is pretty symmetrical.

I am curious where this outrage for its old version even came from. I saw 0 of it on the forums, on reddit, or any social media.

And just because someone has a phobia doesn't mean everything needs a change around it. I, for example, have a fear of heights. While I can generally hold it off somewhat in the game, some stuff (one of the leap of faith maps) easily sets it off if I fall, and I have to take a few seconds to back up and not panic.

But I never have once asked for that map to go or be changed, because my phobia's shouldn't dictate how things are.

Heck, this isn't an exact example of this game, but on WoW in BFA there was an entire section of a zone for giant bees. While leveling to see BFA's story alliance side, I had to go through that, and I am horribly terrified of bees. It was torture to get through that, and that is coupled with the fact that hunters even could tame giant bees and that meant any content I did with a hunter ran that risk, permanently.

... Not once did I request change on that. My phobia should not dictate the game. It's terrible to fight through it, but just because something scares me, doesn't mean everyone else needs to deal with it.

Also I hope these guys don't look at some tank gear, with obvious holes like chainmail, lol.

[Fourbestintoner]

It does look like an orgy now, the perfect healer icon.

[Yencat]

That's not throwing a fit, though. It's expressing concern by weighing in on an issue.

Throwing a fit would be an angry rant and attacking other posters - which I most certainly not done.

Though the simply fact that so many in this thread seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to accuse others of lacking empathy as well as imply that they're bad people for not jumping with joy each and every time a company does something like this says it all, really.

For starters, it reveals that the self-same individuals aren't actually all that virtuous after all - but as we've seen with certain companies and famous individuals of late, the louder one is about their supposed tolerance and virtue the more skeletons they have hidden within their closet.

I didn't say you were throwing a fit, but you sure don't sound indifferent and "refusing to clap and cheer".

They made a post about the fact they changed it and why, I don't see any patting themselves on the back or making themselves appear to be more "tolerant" or "virtuous" because they did it, you're imaging scenarios and getting worked up about it.

The fact that you would drag the current Blizzard mess into this is just gross.

[Tsumdere]

I'm critical of those who blame phobias for things. I'm not one for hand holding those with phobias, as I have suffered deeply from a life debilitating phobia (chrysophobia - I know, don't laugh) for years and got help for it. I hate it when people squeal when they see pictures of spiders because "my phobias". Phobias can be cured and people just don't want to make the effort to fix it. Perhaps that is a cold take, but it is how I feel.

That being said, I can't understand how people equate a simple, non-consequential change to the UI that probably took them 5 minutes to removing actual content like mobs and environmental pieces from the game.

It's like if there was a party and there just happened to be a tarantula in the center of the room. The tarantula doesn't need to be there, and it takes 2 seconds to remove it if someone didn't like it being there. It won't change the party in the slightest (unless it's a spider party). You don't have to mock people for it, or criticize the person who removed the spider. Or wonder if all parties from now on will be empty rooms because one spider was removed once and people will ask for everything to be removed, because that's a gigantic leap to make.

It was just a simple, nice gesture to something that was highly requested on the JP forums. Nothing more and nothing less.

[Lauront]

I didn't say you were throwing a fit, but you sure don't sound indifferent and "refusing to clap and cheer".

They made a post about the fact they changed it and why, I don't see any patting themselves on the back or making themselves appear to be more "tolerant" or "virtuous" because they did it, you're imaging scenarios and getting worked up about it.

The fact that you would drag the current Blizzard mess into this is just gross.

I'm really failing to understand your point here. Expressing a concern as to how this might affect other areas of the expansion design is just "imaging" scenarios? With the dearth of MMOs as things stand, he is perfectly within his right to be concerned that yet another one might end up becoming a poor fit for his tastes.

By the by, his point is not "gross" - it is exactly the sort of scepticism these companies should be met with. If you are sentimentally attached to SE, so be it, but not all of us are.