Risk Factor. Can I have it?

[Rokien]

as I've said, there is only one FFXI, many WoWs.

[isomy]

I don't believe that exp losses or massive death penalties as you guys are advocating at all add any bit of difficulty to the game. It only serves to make the game much more of a grindfest. You're asking for increased difficulty and are instead asking to be forced to go back and grind on those lame 10+ link monsters you can already kill so easily, what for? How does that add to your immersion?

Monsters need better AI and abilities and stats that actually scale to our overpowered characters. Take for example the moogle fight, each moogle has it's own attributes and abilities that make each annoying in their own way and have to be dealt with in a way that reduces your risk of failure through eliminating more troublesome moogle first.

I believe parties of beastmen in strongholds or dungeons should be organized in a similar manner and use tactics like real players would use. For instance a mob taking too much damage could call or help and a GLA type mob can run in and and cover them, flash your group and hit sentinel. Or maybe your party runs in and tries to attack a THM type mob, but it decides to blizzara and bind everyone, run away and cast sleepga, while the other mobs run in and start killing you off one by one. Have CNJ mobs that actually heal the others.

Different kinds of beastman should have varying degrees of weakness and resistance towards different kinds of attacks and enfeebles. Like GLA's strong vs arrows and melee but weak to magic. PUGs highly evasive. Archers and mages weak to physical attacks but resistant to magic. Other melees maybe take on the middle ground. Which would make you want to balance your party more evenly instead of running everything with archer spam.

I think that if mobs could fight us on equal ground the game would be much more engaging.

[Arcell]

as I've said, there is only one FFXI, many WoWs.

One FFXI is enough, let's have an FFXIV for once. Also the game is already heading in its own direction, anyone wanting FFXI-2 with better graphics should really just move along at this point. The FFXI you all knew and loved is dead and FFXIV is not going in the same direction. Time to let FFXIV be FFXIV, not a successor to FFXI.

That being said, getting back on topic yes we do need more challenging content. Fights with normal enemies that last for more than a few seconds and can't just be AoE'd into oblivion. Jobs seem to at least discourage the Archer class stacking that's been so rampant and making content that much easier, however that issue is a monster of its own and nearly impossible to tackle for every single fight. We can't really ask for things that require positioning or dodging like Ifrit until 2.0 comes due to server issues and all that.

[Rokien]

One FFXI is enough, let's have an FFXIV for once. Also the game is already heading in its own direction, anyone wanting FFXI-2 with better graphics should really just move along at this point. The FFXI you all knew and loved is dead and FFXIV is not going in the same direction. Time to let FFXIV be FFXIV, not a successor to FFXI.

Hmmmmmm, you know, thousands and thousands of people wanted an ffxi-2, whats wrong with making this game more like ffxi? Why don't you complain about every other game coping WoW..... come on now. Also this game is being more like all the other games........ you should open your eyes a bit...

[Arcell]

Hmmmmmm, you know, thousands and thousands of people wanted an ffxi-2, whats wrong with making this game more like ffxi? Why don't you complain about every other game coping WoW..... come on now. Also this game is being more like all the other games........ you should open your eyes a bit...

It is what it is, let it be FFXIV. I don't really care what "thousands" of other people wanted, SE didn't want to do that and Yoshida isn't pushing it in that direction either. They've decided on their target audience, I don't see that changing anytime soon or ever. Honestly initially the thought of this game being like FFXI made me not want to even try it, I tried FFXI and wasn't a big fan. I know I'm not alone in that one. Not only that but I know a lot of people who are glad FFXIV is going the way it is because they simply don't have the same amount of time to put into the game as they did back when FFXI was out.

Games are "copying" WoW because WoW set a lot of standards for the MMO genre and with good reason. Some of these things are becoming standards because they're good. Just because a game uses something WoW did doesn't mean it's trying to be exactly like WoW, it's just trying to keep up with the times. Maybe you should open your eyes a little bit.

[Rokien]

It is what it is, let it be FFXIV. I don't really care what "thousands" of other people wanted, SE didn't want to do that and Yoshida isn't pushing it in that direction either. They've decided on their target audience, I don't see that changing anytime soon or ever. Honestly initially the thought of this game being like FFXI made me not want to even try it, I tried FFXI and wasn't a big fan. I know I'm not alone in that one. Not only that but I know a lot of people who are glad FFXIV is going the way it is because they simply don't have the same amount of time to put into the game as they did back when FFXI was out.

Games are "copying" WoW because WoW set a lot of standards for the MMO genre and with good reason. Some of these things are becoming standards because they're good. Just because a game uses something WoW did doesn't mean it's trying to be exactly like WoW, it's just trying to keep up with the times. Maybe you should open your eyes a little bit.

I did not like anything that WoW had....... tons of instances? NOPE! really solo friendly? NOPE! fast leveling? NOPE! Their ah system? NOPE! Their graphics? LOL! Their characters? LOL! How they told most of the lore/story on a website!? LOL! All the tank and spank!? LOL! The terrible pvp? LOL The quest grinding? NOPE!

I can keep going, I don't see any good standard in that crappy game. Just because a game has mass casuals, doesn't make it good. Just take a look at Naruto and compare that to a good anime. The mass loves Naruto, does that make it a good anime? No, its a terrible low quality anime.

[Arcell]

I did not like anything that WoW had....... tons of instances? NOPE! really solo friendly? NOPE! fast leveling? NOPE! Their ah system? NOPE! Their graphics? LOL! Their characters? LOL! How they told most of the lore/story on a website!? LOL! All the tank and spank!? LOL! The terrible pvp? LOL The quest grinding? NOPE!

I can keep going, I don't see any good standard in that crappy game. Just because a game has mass casuals, doesn't make it good. Just take a look at Naruto and compare that to a good anime. The mass loves Naruto, does that make it a good anime? No, its a terrible low quality anime.

All your opinions, I mean even with so many casuals it has millions of subscribers so it must be doing SOMETHING right. When games become popular it's usually for a reason and at that point their gameplay starts to set standards in the genre. You may not like them but just because a genre follows certain trends doesn't mean it's a clone of another game. It's just trying to keep up. If you want to get anywhere you have to be competitive.

Honestly though I'm really not worried about them making the game more like FFXI. They've had dozens of chances to do exactly that and they haven't. Yoshida has made no indication of them taking the game in that direction and honestly if he hasn't by now they probably won't. So I say again, if you are really expecting the game to move in the direction you want, back into the dark ages, you'll be sorely disappointed. You should really look for another game to play because this one definitely isn't going to make you happy.

[elreed]

It is what it is, let it be FFXIV. I don't really care what "thousands" of other people wanted, SE didn't want to do that and Yoshida isn't pushing it in that direction either. They've decided on their target audience, I don't see that changing anytime soon or ever. Honestly initially the thought of this game being like FFXI made me not want to even try it, I tried FFXI and wasn't a big fan. I know I'm not alone in that one. Not only that but I know a lot of people who are glad FFXIV is going the way it is because they simply don't have the same amount of time to put into the game as they did back when FFXI was out.

Games are "copying" WoW because WoW set a lot of standards for the MMO genre and with good reason. Some of these things are becoming standards because they're good. Just because a game uses something WoW did doesn't mean it's trying to be exactly like WoW, it's just trying to keep up with the times. Maybe you should open your eyes a little bit.

I agree, i dont want another FFXI but i want a lot of the elements it had like campaign, conquest, beseiged, assaults, chains of promathia, raise of zilart, treasures of ath ugah(or whatever is called) it had a lot of good things, i like more the battle mechanics that we have now even that arent complete yet than the ones XI had, the cross class system is way better than the subjob system in XI, in less words XIV has a lot of good things but needs juice and that kinda juice XI had it in huge quantities, the fear to mess up was common, the stories were one of the best things, exclusive stuff made it even better because a noob had something to look forward to achieve, like getting to sky you couldnt go if you hadnt completed the hard chain of quest, you couldnt travel in airships if you didnt had enough money to get your pass or completed the quest, you couldnt travel in a chocobo if you didnt completed the quest, you couldnt unlock last levels if you didnt fight maat, etc. A lot of achievements, you could see how much everyone had done just by looking their gear....

i can go on and on with that, thats what people want when they say they want a FF XI-2

[Arcell]

I agree, i dont want another FFXI but i want a lot of the elements it had like campaign, conquest, beseiged, assaults, chains of promathia, raise of zilart, treasures of ath ugah(or whatever is called) it had a lot of good things, i like more the battle mechanics that we have now even that arent complete yet than the ones XI had, the cross class system is way better than the subjob system in XI, in less words XIV has a lot of good things but needs juice and that kinda juice XI had it in huge quantities, the fear to mess up was common, the stories were one of the best things, exclusive stuff made it even better because a noob had something to look forward to achieve, like getting to sky you couldnt go if you hadnt completed the hard chain of quest, you couldnt travel in airships if you didnt had enough money to get your pass or completed the quest, you couldnt travel in a chocobo if you didnt completed the quest, you couldnt unlock last levels if you didnt fight maat, etc. A lot of achievements, you could see how much everyone had done just by looking their gear....

i can go on and on with that, thats what people want when they say they want a FF XI-2

There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking the GOOD ideas from FFXI and implementing them into FFXIV in a way that makes sense for FFXIV. Honestly I'd be a bit disappointed if they just copy/pasted systems over without even trying to make them work with this game. FFXI had SOME good ideas and FFXIV could certainly benefit from them however we don't need to bring everything over. Some things haven't aged well and some wouldn't work with how FFXIV is. They have the opportunity to make something way better than FFXI ever was and I'd like to see them try to do it instead of being held down by old traditions that have no place in FFXIV.

With enough time I feel that FFXIV can become better, we just need to give it time. I mean also worth considering, they didn't have to rebuild FFXI from the ground up. What we're seeing now isn't the finished product so I mean it makes sense that people aren't happy with how it is in comparison to FFXI and are anxious for new info/patches.

[Furia]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking the GOOD ideas from FFXI and implementing them into FFXIV in a way that makes sense for FFXIV. Honestly I'd be a bit disappointed if they just copy/pasted systems over without even trying to make them work with this game. FFXI had SOME good ideas and FFXIV could certainly benefit from them however we don't need to bring everything over. Some things haven't aged well and some wouldn't work with how FFXIV is. They have the opportunity to make something way better than FFXI ever was and I'd like to see them try to do it instead of being held down by old traditions that have no place in FFXIV.

With enough time I feel that FFXIV can become better, we just need to give it time. I mean also worth considering, they didn't have to rebuild FFXI from the ground up. What we're seeing now isn't the finished product so I mean it makes sense that people aren't happy with how it is in comparison to FFXI and are anxious for new info/patches.

Stop making sense Arcell, you are making my brain hurt D: