Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Faafetai]

there's definitively an overlap between some of those, but I've felt that the excal NN was somewhat ok when it came to giving advice, though I usually just help players that need a body for dungeons or trials rather than giving in-depth advice past "use cure/medica 2 instead of 1" and "use holy if you see more than 2 enemies around the tank" or "use your tank CDs after another and during a pull, not all of them at the same time when you're getting low on health" because there's usually not enough time to say more than this between pulls or NN chat activity

See those are the good bits of advice. The one I remember being the best I did receive super early on was make the target bar big and separate it so you can independently enlarge the spell that is casting in order to see the name of some tank busters and raid wides if not most some are telegraphed, a la Dark Souls style. The other was the aggro meter colors in the enemy list, and if they are red you have aggro, yellow for losing aggro, and green for no aggro. Unfortunately, you have to hit them for them all to show up which is kind of a pain in the booty when your first starting out and you miss one mob with your aoe. There are tiny hard to see numbers and symbols next to your job picture in the party window indicating A for aggro and than numbers so you know if your dpsing harder than everyone else. Cleansable stuff have the white line, and a bunch of strange obscure things I honestly missed completely. I feel ashamed to admit I just switched to legacy controls because I didn't know I could overpower backwards with it enabled, and shield lob, tomahawk etc without spinning all of the way around making myself feel sick >.<

[MiaShino]

Lots of stuffs!

Yup yup! All of that useful advice helped us to improve which increased our enjoyment of the game. It also made us better players so we could increase other's enjoyment of the game. Tis amazing how this works!

[Faafetai]

I understand what you were saying, I was just trying to point out that because DF groups don't have prerequisite on player skills. Anything one side can say about ruining fun, or dealing with people. Can be used by the other side. It is a losing battle for both sides.




It is like playing a board game, and the board game does not have any rules. You follow your own code, I follow mine. We can't argue with each other as the board game does not allow it. So who is right on how they play said board game? That is DF.

Now imagine that I am your tank and you are my healer. We are in Mt Gulg. Do you think we would clear the dungeon if you were only using cure 1 and I were using no cooldowns whilst I decided to do 'The pull of legends'. Would you truly be content not able to clear the duty you queued for via the 'convenient duty finder', timer to lockout of the story mode dungeon ticking down. Maybe this is the dps' first time here and they are stuck with a tank and a healer who are 'playing their way' which in turn is not letting them clear the duty. They can not solo the dungeon, they just wished to have fun, but they are just dying over and over again, due to others on their team being selfish.

Maybe I was just raised differently, but this is just evil. Truly, truly evil. You probably do not care because you are playing the board game with no rules, but the board game always had rules. You are taking the board game they wished to play with you, and throwing it into a volcano. It is a blatant disregarded to the well being of those around you and you should be ashamed.

[Shurrikhan]

It is like playing a board game, and the board game does not have any rules. You follow your own code, I follow mine. We can't argue with each other as the board game does not allow it. So who is right on how they play said board game? That is DF.

No. When you sign up to play a dungeon run, just as when signing up to play a doubles game of tennis, it has certain rules, parameters, and expectations. Those don't disappear at your whim.


On the whole, though, the sad thing is that when you lay out your points tangentially, there will still somehow be people who see your playing the despot and label you the victim. I hope their offhanded comments will be validation enough for you.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Sadly no matter how much you nudge people to perform things like Hall of the Novice you can't force them to do it without actually gating DF behind completing it.

It's a picture perfect case of the old saying: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it."

I'm of the mindset that after you get to the level 30 MSQ quests the soul crystal of the corresponding job becomes a permanent pre-requisite to actually do the story. Likewise When it comes to duties. I've seen too many classes instead of jobs in level 80 content.

Being new to a dungeon is one thing, but by the time you're doing ShB everyone is going to have the expectation you know how to play your job's basic rotation. If you don't that's on you and I will never hesitate to kick you if you refuse to shape up.

[Shurrikhan]

Sadly no matter how much you nudge people to perform things like Hall of the Novice you can't force them to do it without actually gating DF behind completing it.

For me, the simplest summary is that group content, even accessed via DF, ought to contain the expectations by which we want to shape the game, but group not should not be where we are first introduced to the means of meeting those expectations.

Let people hit and climb learning walls primarily on their own time and at their own pace. Group content should innovate and realign those lessons, sure, but whatever can be introduced prior via solo content, short of whatever extent would leave group content empty of then-novel mechanics, should be.

We're hoping to enjoy playing a game together, and getting the most out of it requires familiarity with certain practices. If this soccer, people ought to learn how to move and kick the ball basically solo; to pass, in low stake activities (or perhaps even among NPCs, analogously); etc., etc.

[Larirawiel]

The usual suspects are out:

- Healer who stands still, doesn't deal damage, cant even keep up with healing
- DPS who single targets mobs when you have like the entire dungeon on you

Now guess why the healer cannot keep up with healing.


Sorry but too many "tanks" vastly overestimate their skill to play their class. The healer then has to mitigate this lack of skill and cannot do damage because the "tank" dropps from 100% to 15% in a fraction of a second.


The tank should always watch his own HP bar and the healer's MP bar and when it dropps fast then the pulls are too big.



Cheers

[SomeRandomHuman]

For me, the simplest summary is that group content, even accessed via DF, ought to contain the expectations by which we want to shape the game, but group not should not be where we are first introduced to the means of meeting those expectations.

Let people hit and climb learning walls primarily on their own time and at their own pace. Group content should innovate and realign those lessons, sure, but whatever can be introduced prior via solo content, short of whatever extent would leave group content empty of then-novel mechanics, should be.

We're hoping to enjoy playing a game together, and getting the most out of it requires familiarity with certain practices. If this soccer, people ought to learn how to move and kick the ball basically solo; to pass, in low stake activities (or perhaps even among NPCs, analogously); etc., etc.

While I largely agree with this there's more than a few that would rather ignore this and just jump right in and get hard-nosed at any tips and pointers. Which is why I've gotten callous about this subject. I've tried to help many times only to be "rewarded" with nasty attitude.

[Jadedsins]

Pfffffffffffff, I figured out that Jadedsins was the wife before even finishing reading through the posts. Same style, same talking points.

Balmung > Crystal. Now I understand the meme, I thought it might be one of those things that people say and it is not really true but holy jeebus. I am tapping out "who cares as long as we complete the duty" broke the mind. It is over for me.. Mia. I will be M.I.A.

This is the only multiplayer game I have ever played where people act this way, never in all my time have I seen something so patently absurd.

The way you are acting. Yes we would be very much happy if you did not Queue in DF. You act like you have a moral backing behind you because we don't agree. Raised better? Come on now. That is funny, because a game is just a game. I don't need progression to enjoy the game. You take this game far too serious, your whole examples made me chuckle. Like, not everyone has the same values as you. DF content is design for people who can play how they want and still get through it. No need to be a drama queen about "skill" in a match making system.

[ZedxKayn]

lol