Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Tyssyn]

No matter which way they went with male Viera, there were going to be people upset because the end product doesn't fit their personal vision of how they wanted them to be. Same for every aspect of the game. The dev team has their vision of the game - but they do take feedback - and in the end, they create their vision adjusted to appeal to the biggest amount of people because that will end up bring in the most money. No matter what they choose to do, there will be people unhappy - be it the look of a race, the difficulty or ease of dungeons/raids/etc, the balancing of jobs. We as consumers can give our feedback and hope it is taken, and then vote with our wallets. If someone is truly unhappy with so many aspects of the game, then it's more than likely time to search for a new home that does things the way that person wants them done.

[Juzjuzz]

Yeah sure, let's have SE listen to the person who keeps labeling G'raha as a "thing"

G'raha is a thing, it's a 3D character wtf lol

And this is a video game so if they want pretty bunny bois to be able to repel larger prey they can make it so.
All I wanted to show was that appearance isn't everything when it comes to what something is capable of.

No one said they couldn't ... No one said that appearance is everything...
Some ppl just wanted a more warrior like look or at least something more manly. Aymeric for example is androgynous but still manly. 1 face with weaker feminine traits wouldn't have killed the race.

[Iscah]

The women have already broken any argument about "hardcore jungle warriors shouldn't look like glamorous supermodels" so the argument over what the men logically should look like doesn't carry much weight here.

They're not exactly how I would have designed them, but they're logical enough from what the race currently is.

[Iscah]

G'raha is a thing, it's a 3D character wtf lol

G'raha the character in the story is not a 3D model, he's a flesh-and-blood person. He does things and makes plans and is generally what anyone means when they talk about him.

G'raha the image displayed on our screen as the story is told to us is a 3D model, as is everything else in the game, but talking about it in those terms would be horribly confusing all the time. It's just a puppet with no identity except the character it represents.

People are attached to the character, not the 3D model.

[Nanchi]

G'raha is a thing, it's a 3D character wtf lol

Uhuh, let's not pretend that certain people on this forum make it a hobby to demean specific characters in every way possible even tho they have no relation to the topic at hand. You and I both know that G'raha wasn't labeled a "thing" to explain that he is a 3d character.

[SturmChurro]

Can't believe I even have to.. I tried ignoring it. I was referring not to G'raha Tia as a "thing", but more the way they've written him. The thing about the Crystal Exarch surviving, the hero worship, etc.. I've posted about this before in other threads. There's probably a quote of mine articulating this.

No one said they couldn't ... No one said that appearance is everything...
Some ppl just wanted a more warrior like look or at least something more manly.

Yep. I just wanted them to look a bit older, and more masculine. Like I said prior, I'd have liked to have seen more options of this sort for male viera. Like more scars, stubble, an older looking face, etc.

[Juzjuzz]

People are attached to the character, not the 3D model.

Yes but calling the character a thing isn't shoking for me because it's not real and seriously it's wasn't the message.

Uhuh, let's not pretend that certain people on this forum make it a hobby to demean specific characters in every way possible even tho they have no relation to the topic at hand. You and I both know that G'raha wasn't labeled a "thing" to explain that he is a 3d character.

It wasn't for that. Seriously can't you guys see how one sided the male viera are? Most male races have at least 1 androgynous face among the more manly ones. Yet here it's all androgynous. That's what she tried to point out.
Edit : correction, male viera is mostly VERY feminine. Not just androgynous, 1 face more on the manly side wouldn't have bothered ppl tbh.

[BaconBits]

Not gonna lie, I would have liked to see Matsuno's take on male Viera being more boxer-like.

Maybe in another universe, SE managed to implement alternate body types and managed to please both crowds that wanted big buff bunny men, and svelte bunny boys.

[LisSquid]

Simply untrue, tons of great stuff is male locked
Aymeric set is literally just waiting to be accessible ingame.

The real kicker is that a lot of male locked items appear on female npcs.

[NessaWyvern]

This supposed "world's deadliest cat" is an animal that hunts small prey:



With context taken into account, male viera would be up against a much different kind of enemy (prey) than this cat example. We are talking Garlean invasion forces, large monsters, etc. etc. Plus up against the environment itself..

Don’t forget, this is in a game with child-like potato people, who can take down huge monsters and primals.

So what if male Viera are slender (good for not being too heavy in trees!) and androgynous looking. They can still kick butt the same as a Roe or a Lalafell.

Not gonna lie, I would have liked to see Matsuno's take on male Viera being more boxer-like.

If it helps, male Viera look a lot like Featherweight/Super Featherweight Boxers, in terms of build that is.