Open World PvP

[Iscah]

Yes I am a jerk and yes I do have ASPD.

I don't know where you're getting the P from (Wikipedia gives me a page about network protocols), but ASD is not inherently about a lack of empathy. Just a potential lack of the social skills for expressing whatever degree of empathy they have, whether it's high or low.

Edit: Sorry, got those letters out of order (not usually my issue) and you mean antisocial personality disorder. Not so familiar, I think, and you were using it in the other thread where ASD was raised.

[Awha]

I don't know where you're getting the P from (Wikipedia gives me a page about network protocols), but ASD is not inherently about a lack of empathy. Just a potential lack of the social skills for expressing whatever degree of empathy they have, whether it's high or low.

Edit: Sorry, got those letters out of order (not usually my issue) and you mean antisocial personality disorder. Not so familiar, I think, and you were using it in the other thread where ASD was raised.

Yeah because I am also on the spectrum. I have both ASD and ASPD diagnoses.

This is the point I am trying to get at people need to stop intersecting their own bias and views into an action just go based off the action itself and how it is presented. PvP player verse player no where does fairness, equality, structured come into play. It is up to the devs or the community to foster such a mindset. Do not want people to "bully" lowbies then get a group and "bully" them. In short on pvp servers you use pvp to get what you want that is the nature of pvp servers.

Edit

That is not the argument I made in that post.

Premise 1: It is not a PvP-based MMO, but an MMO with PvP as a side content.
Premise 2: The devs want to make PvP even more attractive to casual players.
Conclusion: It does not need a PvP server. If the devs want to allow for open world PvP, they can do so with opt-in mode without having to segregate the community into different worlds.

The OP didn't say it should either, and implied that it wouldn't be, and some people would reject it if so.

And now in their own words:



In an RPG, level usually denotes strength. Those who are lower level than you are usually weaker than you.

Generally but not always I tend to go at face value at what people say, or ask for further clarification. Even so just because someone is weaker in terms of level or gear does not mean they are at a disadvantage. Also the rock paper scissors dynamic in MMO's also complicates the weaker statement.

Cause I have beaten people higher level then myself as a mage in classic WoW.

[linayar]

"The game has no meaningful pvp mode because it's not a pvp game" is a circular argument. Maybe let's avoid those?

That is not the argument I made in that post.

Premise 1: It is not a PvP-based MMO, but an MMO with PvP as a side content.
Premise 2: The devs want to make PvP even more attractive to casual players.
Conclusion: It does not need a PvP server. If the devs want to allow for open world PvP in the future, they can do so with opt-in mode without having to segregate the community into different worlds.

The op didn't say that playing in an open world environment where these things would be possible shouldn't be opt-in.

The OP didn't say it should either, and implied that it wouldn't be, and some people would reject it if so.

And now in their own words:

Hello, OP here. I really hadn't thought of opt in or out when I posted. Like I said I wanted discussion on the topic, and not to necessarily attempt to lay out a system.

Wait but you said; "Liking PvP doesn't make someone a bully. Enjoying picking on people weaker than them, does"

From what I could tell you never said anything about level. Though that is fair if you have other factors.

In an RPG, level usually denotes strength. Those who are lower level than you are usually weaker than you.