Open World PvP

[linayar]

This whole thread is the definition of XIV community

Yep, a great community where people have different opinions and can express their disagreements with each other and still be part of the community.

[van_arn]

Yep, a great community where people have different opinions and can express their disagreements with each other and still be part of the community.

Until someone steps in and says "go back to wow." It happens, and I don't like it.

I'm happy to see so many new players popping in on the forums and ingame, and I want to see them keep coming. I especially hope they all have a blast with the game.

[linayar]

Until someone steps in and says "go back to wow." It happens, and I don't like it.

Meh, that's their opinion, but it's also a valid choice. I tried WoW for a year and went back to FFXIV, but I don't regret having played WoW. People have different preferences, and if your preference is something that another game already does well, it becomes an option.

I'm happy to see so many new players popping in on the forums and ingame, and I want to see them keep coming. I especially hope they all have a blast with the game.

Agreed, but I also understand FFXIV won't be for everyone, so I'd rather it be for me than not for me.

[linayar]

Problem is this whole discussion is not "expression of disagreements" it's just making up buzzwords to push your hidden agenda. Both of the groups argue in a very weird way for or against wopvp, it's not even arguing it's just self reassuring justification they make themselves to protect their world view.
The first group is clearly scared of the challenge wopvp would bring (be it social or whatever) but this challenge is not real it's manufactured by their own fear of whatever scary movie they made for themselves. So they throw away buzzwords like "griefing" (which isn't real if for example you yourself "turn pvp on", just don't turn it on, just an example) "toxicity" just to push this scary movie they created. But this movie is still very detached from reality. And even if it wasn't detached from reality the thing that will have final say in this is the data on pvp activity not some movie someone produced inside their head.
The other group for some reason needs to justify that killing others is fun. Which is just fact. Challenging other players is fun. Completely destroying lower level player is fun. It's why people smurf in very competitive games. You shouldn't have to argue for this it's a fact. It's how human lizard brain works. Arguing for it or against it makes zero sense.

Making up buzzwords like "human lizard brain?"

Calling something fun is not a statement of fact, but a statement of opinion, which may be factually true for the one who says it, but does not exempt it from being the subject of an argument.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Making up buzzwords like "human lizard brain?"

Calling something fun is not a statement of fact, but a statement of opinion, which may be factually true for the one who says it, but does not exempt it from being the subject of an argument.

My favorite bit is the "clearly scared of the challenge wopvp brings" followed by "its fun completely destroying low level players" what challenge is that?

[linayar]

My favorite bit is the "clearly scared of the challenge wopvp brings" followed by "its fun murdering low level players" what challenge is that?

It's probably challenge for the low level players, so they should not fear being challenged in service of the fun of higher level players.

Understandably, some people would disagree, and thus would express their disagreement.

[van_arn]

It's probably challenge for the low level players, so they should not fear being challenged in service of the fun of higher level players.

Understandably, some people would disagree, and thus would express their disagreement.

It is actually a lot of fun if you're lower leveled or undergeared. You need to be a lot more careful with what you plan and how you sneakily sneak around.

It also helps if you have some good friends, and a good guild is much more meaningful than just a chat channel. It's actually a very social type of gameplay.

That said, it's fine if you don't understand it. You don't have to play those games or join those servers.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

"justification they make themselves to protect their world view" "scary movie they create for themselves"
What you say doesn't exist. It is fun. And it scares you. And you can resolve that with "turning pvp off" Which is the most probable way of implementation coming from what Yoshi himself said about this back in SB



I am to you what you are to me it won't ever go beyond that because of the nature of this topic. Which is just me saying what I said twice.

It doesnt scare me. I just don't enjoy it. Those are 2 very different things. Like I said, I played Lineage 2 for close to 7 years. There were no non-pvp servers in that game. PvP is't scary. But it can be very annoying, especially the way OP wants it implemented, which is what all of us are responding to.