Open World PvP

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Kinda strange to assume something of a game that isn’t even out of alpha yet... It looks much more promising as a game with its gameplay and lore system/world building than 14 at least. Looking forward to it much more than Endwalkers at this point.Kinda sounds like people are a bit scared of finally having some competition eh?

Not at all... Literally just people go from hype train to hype train. And a lot of it's systems are not looking that great to me at all frankly. Only a handful of people getting a flying mount for example, get it via PvP, Gold or being voted mayor. So top pvpers who group and keep themselves the top dogs can fly, anyone who can get away with gold farming can have one and every twitch streamer with a following too also gets one. The rest of us? Nah get f*cked. Housing? Well you can lose that too. A group of players attack your home area and poof goes your house that you and your community called home. The way they are building their systems is ready to cater to small groups of players at the expense of the rest. All so that things can feel "exclusive" Congratz on your handful of peacocks, meanwhile the rest of your playerbase is upset they cannot reach the goals they would like too.

And yes.. it's not even out of Alpha! After how much milking of hopeful players for HUNDREDS of dollars for their packs that have what in them? A mount and some other digital things? Woopie. Those players have seen more or less nothing for their investment. They have had millions in backing from other sources on top of that. Frankly why even release the game when you have so many players desperate for something different they will throw fistfuls of money at you for a game that isn't even playable yet? I wouldn't be shocked if the game never even came out. And if it does finally release in a few years, there is no hope for that game to live up to the expectations for it to be the game changer so many are hoping it will be.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I have been playing ESO for the past few months and the cash shop is becoming pretty intrusive. And people are becoming pretty free and open at throwing pretty significant amounts of money around for loot boxes and houses. It's kinda disappointing TBH? I dropped the game a week ago, ESO feels like an unhealthy habit to really dive into imo.

I redownloaded it a couple weeks ago because I previously did enjoy the questing. And I never felt the cash shop to be bad until they added loot box.. and now they added something else on top?! Pass, uninstalled it again and I won't bother buying it's expansions going forward. If ffxiv ever added a loot box it would be my last month subbed rofl
MMO's in general just feel pretty stale atm, tired of them all falling down the same path of cash grabbiness. Bless and it's zillion rereleases is laughable at this point.

[SturmChurro]

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Perhaps that game isn't for you, and that's okay if it isn't!

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Perhaps that game isn't for you, and that's okay if it isn't!

Ofc, but I like PvP games.. and I was hype for Ashes for a brief time. However, experience in other games already lets me know where there is exclusivity there will be players that get in early and will root themselves in so hard it's nigh impossible to get them out. Most players will join the strongest guild on the server, not make a competing one. I am happy to work my butt off for things, to fight for things, but make it available to everyone who puts in that effort. Not the few players that get in early or join the top dogs.

BDO had the top guilds and they sat in their castles getting ever higher payouts for doing so. But they wanted PvP so they would dip out that guild, go to an alt guild and then crap on lower level guilds on the node wars! Because ofc they did not want to risk losing their payouts on the main guild! They and other guilds WOULD NOT compete against each other. But they still wanted the fun of mowing down lower geared players. These are the people who will come to Ashes as well and they will pull the same as they did in BDO. For all they claim to love a real fight, they don't actually want to risk a thing. So they will have their little agreements not to fight so they can keep what they have, meanwhile the rest of the playerbase is getting suppressed by them coming over to stomp on them for funsies. Gotta make sure they cannot catch up to you and become a threat after all.

Ashe's mix of tab target and action combat though was what really put me off. Tab target in PvP I hate with a passion! If people can enjoy the game when it comes out great! But with how much they have sold already.. there will be players with about a dozen mounts, pets and outfits from level one from all the throwing of money they have done rofl. I can see it now.. it's day one and you're new.. then rides past a level 1 on his mighty steed bought for $300

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Perhaps that game isn't for you, and that's okay if it isn't!

I thought we weren't allowed to say that. Or is it ok now?

[Theodric]

Players being rewarded for the effort they put into a game sounds pretty sweet to me. I guess that's the thing about personal tastes - there's no right or wrong and they differ from person to person.

Perhaps it might mean that other MMO's will have more players out in the game world rather than congregating in the major cities as is often the case in FFXIV.

[Rae88]

Josh Strife Hayes did a really nice video on why hardcore PvP MMOs don't satisfy most people ... after a few months. Don't have much hope for Ashes either TBH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFh-Y7sdXXQ

[GrimGale]

Players being rewarded for the effort they put into a game sounds pretty sweet to me.

But that's the thing, World PVP is only fair at the very beginning. Only the winners are rewarded for their effort. And they are rewarded with more power better gear, more exp, higher level. That increases the gap between winners and losers, between new players and old players.
Matches are never a fair playing field and that is what ultimately ends up breaking the system.

In pvp matches like we have, the gear is equalized, the skills are "balanced", the teams have equal number of participants so as to ensure an equal playing field.

You might find that boring, and you may not be wrong, but its the best solution to make the matches attractive to the average player.

If a player believes the game is lost from the beginning, why would they try to even compete? To serve as target practice to others?

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Players being rewarded for the effort they put into a game sounds pretty sweet to me. I guess that's the thing about personal tastes - there's no right or wrong and they differ from person to person.

Perhaps it might mean that other MMO's will have more players out in the game world rather than congregating in the major cities as is often the case in FFXIV.

The problem is that people's efforts are not rewarded at all. I could grind for hours, pvp in my node wars and be active the entire week. But a player sat in that castle doing NOTHING still made more silver. Overall I would ignore those players as much as I could. But when it came to top grind spots, well good luck trying to grind a spot to catch up. Esp once they made PvP changes that made gear even MORE important. Previously I could out duel a person with 100 gear score higher than me. Once they changed things so that gear trumps all. Well the game was as good as dead to me at that point.

[Rae88]

But that's the thing, World PVP is only fair at the very beginning. Only the winners are rewarded for their effort. And they are rewarded with more power better gear, more exp, higher level. That increases the gap between winners and losers, between new players and old players.
Matches are never a fair playing field and that is what ultimately ends up breaking the system.

In pvp matches like we have, the gear is equalized, the skills are "balanced", the teams have equal number of participants so as to ensure an equal playing field.

You might find that boring, and you may not be wrong, but its the best solution to make the matches attractive to the average player.

If a player believes the game is lost from the beginning, why would they try to even compete? To serve as target practice to others?

Yah. Then the people who can no longer win anymore quit, the playerbase shrinks, the gap gets even wider, more of the people who can't win quit, the playerbase becomes tiny, only the winners remain. People complain that nobody wants to play PvP and start asking why :S