Open World PvP

[GrimGale]

Players being rewarded for the effort they put into a game sounds pretty sweet to me.

But that's the thing, World PVP is only fair at the very beginning. Only the winners are rewarded for their effort. And they are rewarded with more power better gear, more exp, higher level. That increases the gap between winners and losers, between new players and old players.
Matches are never a fair playing field and that is what ultimately ends up breaking the system.

In pvp matches like we have, the gear is equalized, the skills are "balanced", the teams have equal number of participants so as to ensure an equal playing field.

You might find that boring, and you may not be wrong, but its the best solution to make the matches attractive to the average player.

If a player believes the game is lost from the beginning, why would they try to even compete? To serve as target practice to others?

[Rae88]

But that's the thing, World PVP is only fair at the very beginning. Only the winners are rewarded for their effort. And they are rewarded with more power better gear, more exp, higher level. That increases the gap between winners and losers, between new players and old players.
Matches are never a fair playing field and that is what ultimately ends up breaking the system.

In pvp matches like we have, the gear is equalized, the skills are "balanced", the teams have equal number of participants so as to ensure an equal playing field.

You might find that boring, and you may not be wrong, but its the best solution to make the matches attractive to the average player.

If a player believes the game is lost from the beginning, why would they try to even compete? To serve as target practice to others?

Yah. Then the people who can no longer win anymore quit, the playerbase shrinks, the gap gets even wider, more of the people who can't win quit, the playerbase becomes tiny, only the winners remain. People complain that nobody wants to play PvP and start asking why :S

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Yah. Then the people who can no longer win anymore quit, the playerbase shrinks, the gap gets even wider, more of the people who can't win quit, the playerbase becomes tiny, only the winners remain. People complain that nobody wants to play PvP and start asking why :S

Exactly. The top two guilds on my server back then used to only have pre arranged fights on their alt guilds so they would not risk losing a castle. All the while peacocking about how much better PvPers they were and how hard they work to earn their winnings. Like.. You guys have not done any real risk reward PvP since the first year of the game xD

I loved the smaller scale PvP my guild would fight in. Over grind spots or gathering areas etc. We were a smaller more skilful group. We often had fights with much bigger guilds and they were hard but felt so good to outplay those people. Even moreso when they were so cocky and rude to you after you politely asked if they would swap channel as you were at the spot first. But it was widely known if u just want to sit and rake in money.. go join one of those two guilds. And even then, those players got so bored because they were not doing anything they quit and then it was just one guild. Then they changed PvP to make it more gear based, more quit and later came the full P2W.

[KizuyaKatogami]

i wish people would do their research before bashing a game that isnt even out of testing yet. Ashes has said their pvp system would vary from other mmo's. Each pvp season would be different and reset so theres more chances for everyone to get what they want. You're all assuming so much from the little bit of info yall have read. I could assume something like Endwalkers being horrible and will just have even less content than this expansion, but of course then id have multiple people telling me omg you dont know that youre just assuming. So much negativity in this community when it comes to other games i swear. Toxic towards wow players, toxic towards eso players. Now we're bashing on a game thats still in development and where the devs actually seem to care about the game and its playerbase. Yikes. Guess theres no room for other mmo's only ff14 which is just steadily losing content and the community is kissing up to the devs more and more in hopes of them getting their precious gpose stickers and umbrellas. Sad...

[Rae88]

i wish people would do their research before bashing a game that isnt even out of testing yet. Ashes has said their pvp system would vary from other mmo's. Each pvp season would be different and reset so theres more chances for everyone to get what they want. You're all assuming so much from the little bit of info yall have read. I could assume something like Endwalkers being horrible and will just have even less content than this expansion, but of course then id have multiple people telling me omg you dont know that youre just assuming. So much negativity in this community when it comes to other games i swear. Toxic towards wow players, toxic towards eso players. Now we're bashing on a game thats still in development and where the devs actually seem to care about the game and its playerbase. Yikes. Guess theres no room for other mmo's only ff14 which is just steadily losing content and the community is kissing up to the devs more and more in hopes of them getting their precious gpose stickers and umbrellas. Sad...

I spent the past 5 months diving into ESO. I hopped into WoW Classic at launched and no lifed that before the ganking and faction imbalance got out of control. I've played WoW Retail. I've played GW2. I'll be hopping into New World July 20th.

But sure, no room for any other MMO ...

[Aelin_Ashryver]

i wish people would do their research before bashing a game that isnt even out of testing yet. Ashes has said their pvp system would vary from other mmo's. Each pvp season would be different and reset so theres more chances for everyone to get what they want. You're all assuming so much from the little bit of info yall have read. I could assume something like Endwalkers being horrible and will just have even less content than this expansion, but of course then id have multiple people telling me omg you dont know that youre just assuming. So much negativity in this community when it comes to other games i swear. Toxic towards wow players, toxic towards eso players. Now we're bashing on a game thats still in development and where the devs actually seem to care about the game and its playerbase. Yikes. Guess theres no room for other mmo's only ff14 which is just steadily losing content and the community is kissing up to the devs more and more in hopes of them getting their precious gpose stickers and umbrellas. Sad...

Beyond the forum I have seen no wow hate within the game, I have not seen any ESO player hate at all personally. I said if people enjoy the game great, but for xyz reasons im not hyped for the game and I think it wise not to let the hype train get away from you and set unreasonable expectations. The only one with their knickers in a twist here is you.

[Rae88]

Each pvp season would be different and reset

Also can you please link to where there will be server resets in Ashes of Creation? Apocalypse had resets but that was an Arena game, Ashes of Creation will have seasons measuring your performance before those RANKS are reset at the end, but I have found nothing about actual server resets at the end of a PvP season.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Also can you please link to where there will be server resets in Ashes of Creation? Apocalypse had resets but that was an Arena game, Ashes of Creation will have seasons measuring your performance before those RANKS are reset at the end, but I have found nothing about actual server resets at the end of a PvP season.

Even if they do, that still makes my housing issue even worse. Imagine... you defend your settlement only to have it summarily demolished at the end of a set time period anyway? I have seen them say nothing of the sort thus far but I have not followed the game's development religiously. I know that they want their node system to work like this,

Player activity will level up a node.
There can only be so many max level nodes. These node's can have player housing.
If you as a group of players want your node to become a larger one for housing, you must attack and downgrade another node. Thus you can build a house on your newly upgraded node once you have removed someone else's houses.
This for ME, sucks. You just got done decorating and then someone comes along and wrecks your home. Your small guild has no real place to call home. A reset if your merry band managed to survive an attack would just rub more salt into the wound.

Flying mounts again they want only so many. I love horses, it's the sole reason I ever even started playing BDO and it's one of my little pet peeves in this game that their proportions on most mounts are so weird. For me, limiting the amount of pegasus on the server to the richest, most popular or top pvper is off-putting. Twitch streamers will be mayors, possibly even some of the richest given fans penchant to give as much of their money as they can. Top PvPers consolidate themselves into groups to stay at the top. For everyone else a flying mount is not attainable at all.

And tab target when you are in group PvP is a nightmare. Have fun trying to tab to that 1 person lashing you from afar when he is surrounded by a dozen of his allies.