Open World PvP

[Aelin_Ashryver]

LazyPeon skipped all quest dialogue, skipped every cutscene and then had the gall to say the game didn't have much of a story. That's why so many were annoyed with that video. How stupid to critique something you skipped over entirely. I don't give critisism on WoW raids as I have never played them..

Here they go saying the community is awful all while wishing ill for the game and it's community. Some people are determined to be miserable and drag others down withcthem it seems.

[Artemiz]

This is incorrect. While not a twitch streamer, LazyPeon got sent death threts to the point he had to take down his entire youtube video because people were literally doxxing his address. Guess why they sent him that? Because he criticized the game. Again, you would have the right of it, if it wasnt something thats occurred many times. One or two times is a mistake. 3 or more is a pattern. In 14's case, its a pattern. It's a known problem in this community that it cannot take criticism, both inside the game and outside of it. Theres a problem with this culture of enabling things that shouldnt be enabled. Handwaving it is why its becoming more rampant as the days go by. Just look at the posts in the asmongold thread lmao. People gatekeeping and hoping he never comes. That's why i bring up its funny that people critique other games so harshly but then wont even be open to people from other games coming. It's why i hope one of these upcoming mmo's just shits on 14. Maybe then it'll give this community the reality check it deserves.

For sure there are evangelists in this game, and they can be a pain. That said I think most people would gladly condemn doxxing and death threats and all that other nonsense. That doesn't mean people can't look at up coming MMO's and be skeptical that they have predatory cash shop mechanics. KiraTV is a youtube channel which focuses on money grabbing MMO's and he has no problem finding games to talk about, kickstarter is awash with obvious cash grabs. We should be looking at these games cynically as most prove to deserve it.

[Velnora]

LazyPeon skipped all quest dialogue, skipped every cutscene and then had the gall to say the game didn't have much of a story. That's why so many were annoyed with that video. How stupid to critique something you skipped over entirely. I don't give critisism on WoW raids as I have never played them..

Here they go saying the community is awful all while wishing ill for the game and it's community. Some people are determined to be miserable and drag others down withcthem it seems.

And yet somehow that is justification for death threats and doxxing?

[Kes13a]

This is incorrect. While not a twitch streamer, LazyPeon got sent death threts to the point he had to take down his entire youtube video because people were literally doxxing his address. Guess why they sent him that? Because he criticized the game. Again, you would have the right of it, if it wasnt something thats occurred many times. One or two times is a mistake. 3 or more is a pattern. In 14's case, its a pattern. It's a known problem in this community that it cannot take criticism, both inside the game and outside of it. Theres a problem with this culture of enabling things that shouldnt be enabled. Handwaving it is why its becoming more rampant as the days go by. Just look at the posts in the asmongold thread lmao. People gatekeeping and hoping he never comes. That's why i bring up its funny that people critique other games so harshly but then wont even be open to people from other games coming. It's why i hope one of these upcoming mmo's just shits on 14. Maybe then it'll give this community the reality check it deserves.

Might help if context was provided as to why their "review" may have set a few people off.

but sure, doing what they did wouldnt have offended any vocal player base in any mmo....ever....

[Kes13a]

Every mmo thats released since XIV has been said "it'll kill xiv" BDO, Arch Age (hah, remember that one?!)

Also, I remember watching lazy peons video. He didn't provide criticism so much as he crapped on the game.

From my experience most people who are upset about asmongold coming over are former WoW players, as they are the ones who know who he is. I'd never heard of him until recently

also, I find it funny you accuse others of being unable to take criticism, while being unable t do so about ashes yourself. Plus, theres a LOT of PvP "gatekeeping" in this thread.

since when were they ... "XIV killers"? lol, thats hilarious. only way I have ever heard that reference was for WoW, how the next mmo was the "WoW Killer"

[Avidria]

This game has some of the worst pvp I've experienced in any MMO, and unless they totally overhaul it, open world pvp in any form would be an absolute nightmare. It's a clunky disjointed mess as is. And if it wasn't optional, I'd actually be quitting for good. Playing a pvp server on WoW for one expansion sucked bad enough, thanks.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

And yet somehow that is justification for death threats and doxxing?

Never said it did so don't try and twist my words. He got backlash from a large group of people because of the reason I mentioned. As ever there are always people who life has not taught consequences too so they feel empowered to send death threats willy nilly as though they were handing out candy. Every MMO has such people. The ones I have seen from WoW are just as bad if not more fanatical

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Differentiate between criticism and "crapping on the game". How is that an excuse for death threats and doxxing?

I don't know how you can criticize a game that isn't even out yet.

I never excused it. I don't think anyone should get death threats no matter what they say. But certain people like to pretend the XIV community pretends those instances never happened and we were all behind it. We weren't. People condemned the threats then.

People gave lots of criticism to XIV in 1.0s alpha and beta. They saw where it was going, and didn't think it was going to be good, gave feedback to the devs, it was ignored, and we saw how that went.

Criticism is "this could be made better by changing this aspect" Crapping on is "this sucks and i hate it, change it and make it better. also this game has no story, i dont know why XIV fans keep saying it has a good story"

since when were they ... "XIV killers"? lol, thats hilarious. only way I have ever heard that reference was for WoW, how the next mmo was the "WoW Killer"

If you dig back to when they released, you'll find threads here on the forums about it.

[Velnora]

Never said it did so don't try and twist my words. He got backlash from a large group of people because of the reason I mentioned. As ever there are always people who life has not taught consequences too so they feel empowered to send death threats willy nilly as though they were handing out candy. Every MMO has such people. The ones I have seen from WoW are just as bad if not more fanatical

"Every MMO has such people. The ones I have seen from WoW are just as bad if not more fanatical"

That sounds like a whole lot of coping.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Every mmo thats released since XIV has been said "it'll kill xiv" BDO, Arch Age (hah, remember that one?!)

Also, I remember watching lazy peons video. He didn't provide criticism so much as he crapped on the game.

From my experience most people who are upset about asmongold coming over are former WoW players, as they are the ones who know who he is. I'd never heard of him until recently

also, I find it funny you accuse others of being unable to take criticism, while being unable t do so about ashes yourself. Plus, theres a LOT of PvP "gatekeeping" in this thread.

Yes, when criticism is applicable. Not when the game is still in early testing stages. Criticism should also be done only when theres been ample research done for whatever you are critiquing. Yes, LazyPeon's video was poorly done. If you look at my other posts where i've mentioned him, i agree it was bias against 14. That said however...

Might help if context was provided as to why their "review" may have set a few people off.

but sure, doing what they did wouldnt have offended any vocal player base in any mmo....ever....

It doesnt matter the context. Death threats and doxxing isnt good period. It doesnt matter what the person did,because as weve seen in the Scottzone sitatuon, someone can give the tiniest piece of criticism and still be doxxed and get death threats from this community. These are only the two big people its happened to. There've been smaller ones as well.