Open World PvP

[Anhra]

There is a problem with this and that the nature of people themselves.

If there are no rewards, then people will complain its not well done. Not only that, but they have to be unique rewards or why bother pvping, so the people who pvp and are prone to doing so, will complain that the reason more people dont pvp is a lack of rewards...

No, I am not implying that pvpers are reward driven whiners, everyone is... if the thing you enjoy doing has little reward, then its garbage and will complain loudly. its a human trait, end of story.

True PvP players dont care about item rewards, the only true reward, is being better than someone else. That is all there is to it.

Personally, i see PvP rewards in item- /title form mainly as bait for People driven by their Greed for mounts, glamour... you name it.

can we stop with blaming casuals for everything?

Is pvp designed poorly, since its not a SE focus, I imagine it is, never tried it, why? because its not a pvp game. so saying that pvpers arent sticking around because of "casualization" is a bit silly since they are not sticking around because its not a pvp centric game. if you love action/war movies, chances are you are not going to go to a movie thats a romance. (and if you do, you are likely forced and will hate the entire experience) you cannot blame a group for that

I blame casuals exactly for the reason you just mentioned. Everytime casuals demand changes so that they have a easier time on something and it goes horribly wrong, you just pull the "hurr durr Content X is not FFXIV main feature" card. Noone ever said that PvP has to be the main feature of the game, all we want is to have a properly working PvP Mode.

Casuals got their viera and hrothgar races, numerous hairstyles per REQUEST and the main focus of the entire Dev Team. Give me a break and let us PvPers have our own haven within the game, since we too, care for this game.

[Kes13a]

I blame casuals exactly for the reason you just mentioned. Everytime casuals demand changes so that they have a easier time on something and it goes horribly wrong, you just pull the "hurr durr Content X is not FFXIV main feature" card. Noone ever said that PvP has to be the main feature of the game, all we want is to have a properly working PvP Mode.

Casuals got their viera and hrothgar races, numerous hairstyles per REQUEST and the main focus of the entire Dev Team. Give me a break and let us PvPers have our own haven within the game, since we too, care for this game.

you are still blaming the wrong people.

"casuals" as your derogatory term seems to imply, includes a large grouping of people who feel entitled to something just because (pick any reason here)

as for content X not being a feature... I would go out on a limb here and say just that about pvp, is it a feature? of course, back in the day when FFXIV was first released pvp was put into everything, but even back then, it wasnt a focus. it is not a main feature, and as such, implmentation is not as simple as flipping a switch.

the fact here is pvpers have gotten a bad rap over the years with habits of a few and breaking classes due to whining about imbalance instead of learning their kit. Developers are incapable of making pvp changes without ruining pve usually. and who drives those changes in pvp focused games? well... the casual pvpers I guess.

so, whine about casuals all you want, but your casuals ruin as many things for you as mine do.