Open World PvP

[MoofiaBossVal]

Open world PvP would be cool but it wouldn't work with flying.

[Theodric]

just my opinion, but putting out anything in the face of the restrictions imposed by a GLOBAL REAL WORLD HEALTH EVENT may have had an influence of that.

I guess things may have been different in your country though so you have far higher expectations

The reduction in content was setting in before Covid-19 was even a thing, though. Certainly, it didn't help matters - though it is in itself not the direct cause of the arguable lack of fresh and meaningful content. One could also argue that the game is doing so well because the MMO market as a whole is in a pretty stagnant place right now and it just so happens that FFXIV is slightly better than what is offered by the competition at the moment.

It's also worth noting that people criticising the game often do not do so because they loathe it. They do so because they enjoy it and do not want to see it go down the same path that has led so many of its competitors astray.

[KizuyaKatogami]

just my opinion, but putting out anything in the face of the restrictions imposed by a GLOBAL REAL WORLD HEALTH EVENT may have had an influence of that.

I guess things may have been different in your country though so you have far higher expectations

Um....we were missing content long before covid was a thing sweetie. Hate when people use that excuse when we were already very clearly missing things before it was a thing like...you’re gonna blame it on the pandemic that didn’t even exist yet?

[Artemiz]

Is that why we’re missing so much content this expansion?While also having constant content downgrades compared to last expansion...

No, that's probably the global pandemic, you might have heard of it. With everyone working from home, and some working from a hospital bed it's kind of inevitable. The player base however is growing very nicely.

He did no such thing, though it's pretty clear to me that there's little reasoning with certain posters at this point. I also happen to know him both in-game and the real world, so I daresay I'm a far better judge of his character and intent than someone who has read a handful of his forum posts and chosen to attribute them entirely to false premises.

Personally I don't see much point in getting up in arms over a meme, either. Some people find them funny, others don't. I think that the prudent course would be to shrug and move on instead of trying to actively tarnish someone's reputation by misconstruing their contributions to a thread.

Right..... so you don't think this was meant to be insulting then..... ok

The most they seem able to handle is uwu sugoi catboi twinkle-eyes. Whether it is the story and even allowing for the possibility of character deaths, darker job concepts, content that a certain portion of this community disdains, such as open world PVP apparently, unfortunately the more vocal components of this game's community are very set in their ways and would probably see it turned into a visual novel if they could.

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now. It's jsut people who disagree with you giving their reasons for it. Don't be such a wallflower. If you want to go on about in-game toxicity I would say taking joy in,

Killing noobs,
ruining weddings,
ruining funerals,
trolling gatherers,
attacking low level players,
raiding towns,
etc...

Is far worse, and all have been suggested as perfectly fine and dandy ways to enjoy yourself.

The opposition to PvP has not even been on the same scale as the people who have put up arguments wanting it and why.

[Theodric]

Right..... so you don't think this was meant to be insulting then..... ok

That's correct. I also don't believe that his assessment is wrong, given that a very vocal portion of the community is arguably preventing the game itself from having any real stakes or consequences in the story.

You might have missed how this very thread had a fair few posts arguing over that very line of reasoning in an attempt to shut down the idea of open world PvP.

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now.

You must have missed the post where someone outright accused another poster of being a sociopath, then - which is a pretty horrid accusation to throw at someone over a video game of all things.

I'm also disinclined to attribute some of the more vocal opposition to this thread's premise as mere disagreements. I've been posting on this forum for years now and I've noticed a steady trend where there exists a very vocal portion of the FFXIV community that seeks to dismantle any and all suggestions to the game even if the proposal is based around something entirely optional that would not require their interaction in any conceivable way.

The individuals who do not wish to engage in open world PvP would not be forced to partake of it - leaving it to foster it's own micro-community of enthusiasts in a manner similar to the micro-communities that have popped up around A and S rank hunts. I'd also argue BLU qualifies as similarly niche content. Some people like it, others don't - but much like high stakes PvP, there's a niche for it...as this very thread proves even though it is in itself only a very narrow portion of the overall FFXIV community.

[Artemiz]

That's correct. I don't believe that his assessment is wrong, given that a very vocal portion of the community is arguably preventing the game itself from having any real stakes or consequences in the story.

You might have missed how this very thread had a fair few posts arguing over that very line of reasoning in an attempt to shut down the idea of open world PvP.

It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, it was still written to be condescending and insulting. I don't buy the lore argument either, for what it's worth. I think the technical problems open world PvP would cause are far bigger concerns and in this game, at this stage of it's life cycle, diametrically opposed to workable PvP. They could be fixed, sure. But it would take far more resources than it deserves and would change the feel of the game dramatically.

You must have missed the post where someone outright accused another poster of being a sociopath, then - which is a pretty horrid accusation to throw at someone over a video game of all things.

It was a joke.

[Theodric]

It was a joke.

On what basis? Do you happen to know the poster in question and his intent or are you merely speculating it to be as such?

Personally I'd consider the use of a meme to be far more in line with a joke than outright calling someone a sociopath but each to their own, I suppose.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's correct. I also don't believe that his assessment is wrong, given that a very vocal portion of the community is arguably preventing the game itself from having any real stakes or consequences in the story.

You might have missed how this very thread had a fair few posts arguing over that very line of reasoning in an attempt to shut down the idea of open world PvP.



You must have missed the post where someone outright accused another poster of being a sociopath, then - which is a pretty horrid accusation to throw at someone over a video game of all things.

I'm also disinclined to attribute some of the more vocal opposition to this thread's premise as mere disagreements. I've been posting on this forum for years now and I've noticed a steady trend where there exists a very vocal portion of the FFXIV community that seeks to dismantle any and all suggestions to the game even if the proposal is based around something entirely optional that would not require their interaction in any conceivable way.

The individuals who do not wish to engage in open world PvP would not be forced to partake of it - leaving it to foster it's own micro-community of enthusiasts in a manner similar to the micro-communities that have popped up around A and S rank hunts. I'd also argue BLU qualifies as similarly niche content. Some people like it, others don't - but much like high stakes PvP, there's a niche for it...as this very thread proves even though it is in itself only a very narrow portion of the overall FFXIV community.

The OP's post has 8 likes. probably from the die-hard pvp fans in this thread. That's not much interest really.

plus, it sounds like they want the ability to attack people who dont care for pvp at all.

[Artemiz]

On what basis? Do you happen to know the poster in question and his intent or are you merely speculating it to be as such?

Personally I'd consider the use of a meme to be far more in line with a joke than outright calling someone a sociopath but each to their own, I suppose.

On the basis that it was obviously a joke. I know neither poster personally but it was hardly a well fleshed out psychological diagnosis was it? You might not have found it funny, fine, but don't try to make it out to be more than it was. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this, it wasn't my comment so I don't have to defend it. I just saw it as a joke, that's all.

[Theodric]

On the basis that it was obviously a joke. I know neither poster personally but it was hardly a well fleshed out psychological diagnosis was it? You might not have found it funny, fine, but don't try to make it out to be more than it was. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this, it wasn't my comment so I don't have to defend it. I just saw it as a joke, that's all.

In other words, you're willing to give someone who resorts to targeted insults a free pass due to the assumption that it is supposedly just a joke but are entirely unwilling to give someone else the benefit of the doubt when they poke fun with a meme at the expense of a vocal portion of the player base with no specific individuals singled out? is that correct or am I missing something here?

I don't want to outright assume that this is a case of moving goalposts, but I'm admittedly struggling to see it as anything but that at this point...