Open World PvP

[Artemiz]

I think it's pretty strange for some players to accuse people of supporting 'bullying' because they happen to like PvP. Especially when there's many PvP enthusiasts who adhere to a sense of good sportsmanship.

I'm inclined to think that this is just yet another case of a vocal portion of the FFXIV community seeking to engage in a type of gatekeeping that disallows growth and varied content from manifesting because they cannot handle the simple fact that other people might want to see and enjoy something different to themselves.

I'm also not at all surprised that there's players in this game who are more concerned by the idea of PvP than abhorrent, inappropriate and highly illegal acts of ERP, though!

I didn't say everyone who likes PvP are bullies, so please don't strawman me. Some of the comments in this thread are clearly bullies chomping at the bit to get to people they don't like though.

The ERP is just another strawman, I didn't support that either, nor do I engage in it. I didn't make a value judgment on it in any way. I just think it would be hilarious if Elliot Ness and co stroll into Limsa to purge it only to get wrecked.

Clearly you just don't want to engage with me in a rousing bout of fisticuffs outside Ul'dah's city lines.

Hamon Holyfist would be disappointed in you.

Touche!

Sounds pretty tough guy to me.

You should probably get your ears syringed then.

Maybe. The part most people that don’t roll on pvp cannot comprehend is people that like open world pvp *enjoy* getting ganked. That tiny bit of additional danger can make everything more fun.

That and crashing a wedding takes on an entirely different meaning.

I must admit I don't play MMO's for PvP, I play PvP games for PvP. In those games I've never ever met anyone who liked getting "ganged" or jumped on though. I completely disagree it would make the game more exciting, I think it would make the game more frustrating.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I think it’s pretty sad tbh that people have grown so scared of change,growth, and new things. I feel like it’s a problem that’s really only with this community as well. People have such thin skin and think everyone is out to get them. So they decide to instantly reject ideas of trying to add new fun things to the game and come up with the worst reasons to deny it, especially when people are giving different options and ways it could be implemented. Instead it seems people would rather we just keep losing content, and losing out on all sorts of different gameplay systems, and would rather they get their pretty parasols and gpose stickers. Yet i see some of the people in here are the ones saying there’s nothing wrong with advertising erp in the party finder interesting how that works huh...

[Artemiz]

I think it’s pretty sad tbh that people have grown so scared of change,growth, and new things. I feel like it’s a problem that’s really only with this community as well. People have such thin skin and think everyone is out to get them. So they decide to instantly reject ideas of trying to add new fun things to the game and come up with the worst reasons to deny it, especially when people are giving different options and ways it could be implemented. Instead it seems people would rather we just keep losing content, and losing out on all sorts of different gameplay systems, and would rather they get their pretty parasols and gpose stickers. Yet i see some of the people in here are the ones saying there’s nothing wrong with advertising erp in the party finder interesting how that works huh...

In the perfect world you could have your PvP servers, unfortunately development time is a compromise. The entire game would have to be rebalanced to make PvP in the open world a reality. tanks and healers would have to be nerfed, massively for a start off. Nobody complains in PvE that you have good tanks and healers and over the years, due to low participation problems tanks and healers have become massively OP compared to DPS. It's not a problem in PvE but in PvP it would be, so it would have to be rebalanced along with almost every encounter and content in the game to compensate. All to get PvP servers that hardly anyone wants. That dev time is much better spent elsewhere. Honestly if PvP is so important to you then another game is your best option, it's never been a big part of FF MMO's, it's there but it's very niche side content at best and always has been. The player base that this MMO franchise has developed and maintained, since the turn of the millennium, has never been PvP focused.

[Theodric]

It requires only a single one to ruin the fun for a dozen, you should know that already from other various titles.
Besides that, PvP is always a hotbed of attitude, trolling and memes, and we really don't need this.

I don't go through life shying away from situations because someone else might do something I dislike.

PvP is an entirely optional part of the game. Those who dislike it do not have to partake of it.

Even many single player games have a multiplayer experience tacked on because players enjoy interacting and competing with one another. Not every player but enough to make it worthwhile.

FFXIV already has PvP worked into the game. It could be expanded for those who enjoy it. Which, in turn, would allow for a greater variety of players to be appeased and catered to.

[IDontPetLalas]

You don't send a request, you just locate them and make playing the game pain until they stop with their pf nonsense.

So basically you grief someone because you don't like their play style. I don't understand why the the PF UI and its filter is..well.. terrible... but ganking isn't going to help.

Taking our your frustration with SE with a thread or (best hope) a question in a live event is the best chance of having a feature improved.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I think it’s pretty sad tbh that people have grown so scared of change,growth, and new things. I feel like it’s a problem that’s really only with this community as well. People have such thin skin and think everyone is out to get them. So they decide to instantly reject ideas of trying to add new fun things to the game and come up with the worst reasons to deny it, especially when people are giving different options and ways it could be implemented. Instead it seems people would rather we just keep losing content, and losing out on all sorts of different gameplay systems, and would rather they get their pretty parasols and gpose stickers. Yet i see some of the people in here are the ones saying there’s nothing wrong with advertising erp in the party finder interesting how that works huh...

You mean like how the same people who say they are afraid to talk in game because they might get banned want to be able to grief players with ganking and open world pvp and think that won't get them banned?


Yeah OK.

Also, no one in here thinks PF erp adverts are fine.

[Artemiz]

FFXIV already has PvP worked into the game. It could be expanded for those who enjoy it. Which, in turn, would allow for a greater variety of players to be appeased and catered to.

The development team have already announced they are doing something for PvP in the next expansion, I don't think many people have a problem with that. There is a huge difference though between improving how it works now and turning all open world content PvP. Even if you have to opt in, balance would have to be addressed for everyone, not just those who want it.

[BaconBits]

So basically you grief someone because you don't like their play style. I don't understand why the the PF UI and its filter is..well.. terrible... but ganking isn't going to help.

Taking our your frustration with SE with a thread or (best hope) a question in a live event is the best chance of having a feature improved.

Clearly we need to just cut the middle man and challenge Square Enix to some good old fashioned PvP, as the Gods intended.

I'll take Yoko Taro, our battle will be startlingly mediocre.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You mean like how the same people who say they are afraid to talk in game because they might get banned want to be able to grief players with ganking and open world pvp and think that won't get them banned?


Yeah OK.

Also, no one in here thinks PF erp adverts are fine.

Way to put words in my mouth. Never said i wanted to grief people but it seems the only way for you to weigh into a debate is for you to employ fallacies. Especially with your latter point considering a lot of the familiar faces on here were active in that thread awhile back but nice try. Next time learn to read and maybe you’ll earn a proper conversation.

[Caurcas]

Clearly we need to just cut the middle man and challenge Square Enix to some good old fashioned PvP, as the Gods intended.

I'll take Yoko Taro, our battle will be startlingly mediocre.

I like the way you think. SE hire this man.