Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[HestiaOmori]

5)you didn't answer my last question.. if your not going to teach new players rotations or mechincs or anything that might take more then 20mim of your time.. what are you getting out of being a mentor? What are you a mentor for if your not mentoring new players.?

if i have to teach you have to 1 2 3 you shouldnt be in an EX trial in the first place

[Vahlnir]

if i have to teach you have to 1 2 3 you shouldnt be in an EX trial in the first place

Yeah...if someone asks me for rotation advice, I will do what I can, but ultimately I'd probably point them in the direction of Youtube for one of the many job guides available there. Heck, I do that for myself as needed. I'm not great at explaining these things, and I don't want to lead someone astray because of that. For me, the most responsible thing I can do is to send them somewhere that CAN help them and probably do a better job. I realize that "watch a vid" or "read a guide" are almost meme material nowadays, but that doesn't mean it's a wrong thing to suggest.

[Baxcel]

if i have to teach you have to 1 2 3 you shouldnt be in an EX trial in the first place

I'm not even talking about teaching them in an EX.. people in this thread and many others have straight out said they won't teach spouts about the job.. they won't help them learn their classes at all.. some have said that they will straight up kick spouts from the dungeon because it will slow down their clear.. so no I'm not saying teach them in a trail.. I talking about teaching in general

[Reinha]

For me, the most responsible thing I can do is to send them somewhere that CAN help them and probably do a better job. I realize that "watch a vid" or "read a guide" are almost meme material nowadays, but that doesn't mean it's a wrong thing to suggest.

I have a similar approach. I tell them that they will find better parties in PF and that watching a guide beforehand is more efficient than having someone explain it to them while the timer is ticking. Blind runs are fine but if you want the tips it's better to just watch a detailed recording. I link a text guide they can read afterwards if they want, and copy paste some key mechanics in the chat. They don't read it but it's there.

People who complain about "go read a guide" being lazy have forgotten that it's better to teach a man how to fish. The next time he is hungry he won't need handouts to feed himself.

[Toonie]

Im fine with getting ex in mentor roulette, so long as the party is willing to listen anyway.

[van_arn]

Im fine with getting ex in mentor roulette, so long as the party is willing to listen anyway.

If they’re in df for an ex, the chances are they’ve already bombed that test before you loaded in.

[MrMagic]

On one hand you have sprouts in normal and hard mode dungeons to help out but you want to limit Mentor availability with this "don't queue if you won't teach Ex" attitude.

On the other you have sprouts wanting to challenge themselves or don't know what they are queing for or want to force Mentors into a learning party rather than use PF and have them join willingly. If you are ready and able to do Ex, you need less help than the players staring out in the game.

Any idea that punishes the sprouts just to punish the Mentors, or punishes every other sprout just to help out those DF Ex sprouts is being selfish IMO. The system is fine as it is and if mentors dont want to mentor Ex in the Mentor queue then that is fine by me. It's not like the sprout wont get help if advised to use PF for learning parties, including from Mentors. If they dont want to take that advice then so be it. Dont expect 100% of people to stick around if DF is how you queue for those, Mentor or no.

Should the rewards change or the system change? Probably, probably not. Mentors that never intended to mentor in any duty are bad but some of these ideas cast a net on all the mentors including those who genuinely help players regularly. Kudos to the Mentors that have a go with teaching Ex in DF. I do wish there were more willing to try but I'd rather not get rid of you if that's where you draw the line.

This thread has turned into a discussion on bad mentors and that's fine, my response is just to the OP and others suggesting increased lockouts, "don't queue" and the like for the current Mentor roulette. My favourite is the one where you are kicked from being a Mentor for 6 months for not doing synced Ex in DF. You probably teach synced Ex in PF but we're going to kick you anyway.

[Nethereal]

Eh just going to be real with you.

The instant facepulling sprout tank is not ready for an extreme trial. And when they do that 10 times without reading chat I will first attempt to kick them. And if that doesn't work I'll do something else.

As a mentor healer I have a bit more control over how well the group does but otherwise it's not very feasible to carry a group singlehanded as a mentor.

[Ariel_Valmont]

I mean you were already wasting your time by queuing for an EX in DF.

No, I queued for mentor, and expect to get ex roulettes, because that’s part of the requirement.

[Nethereal]

No, I queued for mentor, and expect to get ex roulettes, because that’s part of the requirement.

Not a good idea to set arbitrary requirements when the factual requirements exist, namely being:

Be a mentor
Have mentor queue unlocked

Everything past that doesn't have a requirement outside pressing the queue button and not afking, it's up to mentors to do things by a case by case basis and if they're operating on a "I want to complete this dungeon" or a "Well this dungeon is 1h and the leaver's punishment is 30m so~" it's pretty reasonable to expect them to leave old EX trials people clearly aren't ready for and probably won't clear and in terms of msq roulette it should've never been put in mentor roulette but at least those leaving mentors helped fill the queue.