Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[Krotoan]

So instead of actually having mentors able to join and teach a hard mode dungeon, your solution is to leave it to sprouts who could have done with a mentor, but your expectations are so high they get nothing instead. There's other content that needs mentoring other than the handful of Ex trials you know.

No my solution is to have people who actually want to only help and don't care about time expediency or rewards in the mentor roulettes. Whether it would actually work has yet to be seen because we have a population going into that queue who regularly hamstrings any attempts at it. There IS more things that need mentoring and I would suggest possibly splitting the queue would be fine, but nobody here is suggesting that, they just want to remove it so they can get their mentor run done which is a little telling about their motivations and objectives.

There is a population willing to put in time for new players, but the mentor population is not representative of them because it's full of people who unlocked it for the resources and the prizes.

[Mosha]

No my solution is to have people who actually want to only help and don't care about time expediency or rewards in the mentor roulettes. Whether it would actually work has yet to be seen because we have a population going into that queue who regularly hamstrings any attempts at it. There IS more things that need mentoring and I would suggest possibly splitting the queue would be fine, but nobody here is suggesting that, they just want to remove it so they can get their mentor run done which is a little telling about their motivations and objectives.

There is a population willing to put in time for new players, but the mentor population is not representative of them because it's full of people who unlocked it for the resources and the prizes.

You are not listening.

let's try framing this a different way.

How many parties clear an ex fight from their first lockout through PF with the following:
- players with experience
- players who are properly gear for the encounter
- who speak the same language
- who are willing to make the effort

I'm willing to bet it's still pretty low outside of statics.

With an EX from a mentor rolo you are lucky if maybe a few players have some of these. you can assess the situation and see the odds are so low it isn't worth your time. sadly that prevents me from going into situations I know I can help players because I know I can end up with an impossible situation.
I don't care about the mount or the time it takes I just don't want to waste a 1h 30mins in a futile situation.

[Krotoan]

You are not listening.

I am actually hearing a lot of things people aren't saying but they definitely want to.

let's try framing this a different way.

How many parties clear an ex fight from their first lockout through PF with the following:
- players with experience
- players who are properly gear for the encounter
- who speak the same language
- who are willing to make the effort

I'm willing to bet it's still pretty low outside of statics.

Yahuh. so you're already have the attitude that clearing is the most important thing and not teaching. While I can understand that from a progression point of view, not clearing an instance isn't the worst thing in the world. You don't like the chances? Don't queue.

With an EX from a mentor rolo you are lucky if maybe a few players have some of these. you can assess the situation and see the odds are so low it isn't worth your time. sadly that prevents me from going into situations I know I can help players because I know I can end up with an impossible situation.
I don't care about the mount or the time it takes I just don't want to waste a 1h 30mins in a futile situation.

Then don't queue. I'm beginning to think you aren't listening either. Don't.. queue... if you don't want to do it or feel it's "a futile situation".

Yes they are, on this thread and in other threads. Ex Trials should be on their own roulette.

Yeah.. apart from the mentor program. It should be part of the reqs for the "prize"

[BigHoffie]

Then don't queue. I'm beginning to think you aren't listening either. Don't.. queue... if you don't want to do it or feel it's "a futile situation".

What an absolute load of crap. Who are you even to tell other people what they can and can't do in this game? Mentor's should stick it out if they queue roulette, but the rules are such that they can leave with a penalty if they choose. Just like people should use PF to do extreme trials, but the rules are such that they can queue if they choose. Your reasons to use mentor roulette are not everyone's reasons, your reason's to play this game are not everyone's reasons, and your insistence on trying to dictate what others should do with their time and leisure is frankly embarrassing.

[MrMagic]

There IS more things that need mentoring and I would suggest possibly splitting the queue would be fine, but nobody here is suggesting that.

Yes they are, on this thread and in other threads. Ex Trials should be on their own roulette.

[Reinha]

Having a separate roulette for extremes and just removing them from the mentor roulette have the same outcome. No one will clear them, no one will get the rewards and all you're doing is telling unprepared players what provoke is and that they won't clear it unless they stop ignoring mechanics. Because that's how it usually goes in the DF.

There are a few exceptions among ARR primals but you can already choose 5 and queue for them just to teach people until the timer runs out. Roulettes are for rewards, you get the reward when you clear and if you aren't going to clear then what is the roulette for?

[Kogekigami]

Honestly I wouldn't mind ex trials in mentor if I was garneted 2 to 3 more mentors with me...I can never remember every mechanic and sometimes you need just a touch more carry help through them. Some people are willing to try but there's been time I'm literally repeating myself onto death ears. I just want the mount to be honest, would it be worth to have solo mentor queue which is dungeons basic raids and trials etc then a party mentor which is extremes so you can go in with 2 or 3 other mentors and actually help? Let the extreme one count double or something towards the mount as incentive cause atm there is no incentive to stay 1 hour dying to and extreme trial when you can take the penalty do something else for 30 mins and try later and get a guild heist

[Ariel_Valmont]

This whole argument of I don’t want people wasting my time is hilarious, as they leave and waste 7 other people’s time. If you don’t want your time wasted, mentor roulette, and possibly even video games in general, isn’t for you.

[ZedxKayn]

This whole argument of I don’t want people wasting my time is hilarious, as they leave and waste 7 other people’s time. If you don’t want your time wasted, mentor roulette, and possibly even video games in general, isn’t for you.

Video game = wasted time isn't a good argument btw. Entertainment isn't wasted time, it's necessary and healthy.

It becomes wasted time when players make the game annoying to play for others and instances take a lot longer than necessary by disregarding their party members and knowingly half-assing their job or not listening.

[Caurcas]

This whole argument of I don’t want people wasting my time is hilarious, as they leave and waste 7 other people’s time. If you don’t want your time wasted, mentor roulette, and possibly even video games in general, isn’t for you.

I mean you were already wasting your time by queuing for an EX in DF.