Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[Vahlnir]

as I've said in my other posts anytime I've been in a synced Ex trial it's been a clear regardless of the other mentors that have sandbagged or straight up abandoned the group.. even if I would of gotten a trial that lasted for the full lockout I'd still stay the entire time and try an help and teach.. part of the agreement we signed when we asked to be mentors..

It took some time, heck, I even helped with an Odin Ex and I think a Shiva Ex clear which both went surprisingly well, but ultimately the Thordan Ex I spoke of earlier in this thread broke me and I haven't touched the roulette since, even though I had access to it for awhile after. It's a two way street. Sure, we are there to help, but players also need to want it for things to work. Personally, I abandoned that roulette and never looked back. I can help out in other ways without losing my sanity. If there's questions in NN that need answering, I will. If someone in a dungeon or raid asks for tips, I will give them some tips provided someone hasn't beaten me to the punch already. I will also help clear various things through the PF. None of these things feel like I'm wasting my time, unlike the Mentor Roulette, and it is hopefully doing some good. That is what I signed up for, not queueing for some random roulette. Regardless, they have to ask for it, because as I said...they have to want it. I will not be bending over backwards for lost causes since I value my time and I respect the time of those around me. They don't deserve such treatment either. I'm certainly not wearing my crown anymore though, since that thing has gotten me nothing but trouble. No matter how politely I gave advice, I was basically seen as the "lolmentor". The only place it is visible is in the NN.

[LianaThorne]

First you need to calm down a bit.. you'll get yourself banned for the langue your using and we don't want that.. this is a discussion not a brawl.

2nd im also a mentor, all be it a crafting one as I'm still working on my commendations again.. as I've said in my other posts anytime I've been in a synced Ex trial it's been a clear regardless of the other mentors that have sandbagged or straight up abandoned the group.. even if I would of gotten a trial that lasted for the full lockout I'd still stay the entire time and try an help and teach.. part of the agreement we signed when we asked to be mentors..

Lastly no one has call you a mount or something to carry.. thats what dungeons are for honestly a trial is a team thing.. sure we can make it with 1 or 2 not pulling their weight but are you going to personally join that spouts Ex PF for a synced trial after you tell them to try there? Probably not.. your going tell them to sit in PF for hours waiting for people to help or find members when they were already in the trial when you abandoned them.. without even trying..

So good luck honestly you don't wanna help in the trial you got you probably don't wanna join a synced PF what do you want from being a mentor then if you don't wanna do the stuff you get from the roulette ?

1. Nice threat.

2. If YOU want to dedicate x amount of time to teaching the same group, that is entirely your choice. It is a VOLUNTARY position, none of us are getting paid to do anything. Therefore, how we mentor is entirely up to the individual person. Might want to accept that fact instead of treating it like your way is only proper way of doing things.

3. What we join to help with is also entirely up to us and I'm not sure where you're getting hours of wait time from with PF. Outside of really select stuff (like myth strat for E9S for example which I've personally had a couple hours wait for), PFs fill up quickly. There is also a MASSIVE influx of new players from WoW and other places with Endwalker coming who are also going to be looking to clear the content. Have a little bit of patience, there are literally THOUSANDS of people playing the game at any time, if not TENS of thousands. A party will be formed and you'll get your clear and if not you keep trying. That's how life works.

4. I do join sync'd PFs and also assist with teaching through the PF. Currently I help with fresh progs in Diamond Ex. Please don't throw your baseless assumptions at me like you have any idea who I am in game.

[Wiccan026]

Extreme trials you get in Mentor roulette are a case by case basis in my book (I would never use the blanket statement everyone signed up for the fight, signed up to learn the fight). Granted I've actually tried teaching some of the fights I've gotten to no avail with no one listening (and in one case a funny argument that involved people saying the mechanics were being explained wrong).

[Krotoan]

I don't give a crap about the reward, nor do I feel a duty to drag paint eaters through content years old and utterly irrelevant that they can easily do in five minutes unsynched. I do mentor roulette when I am bored, and if I get an ex nine times out of ten I'll bounce and give the other six poor sods a free way out.

No offense meant, but you are showing exactly the type of behavior the OP means to discourage. Mentor roulettes out of boredom. Using it as some sort of "whatever" button. Actual disdain for new and/or inexperienced players and older content.

So while I get you want some sort of outlet, the mentor system is not meant for what you're using it for.

1. Nice threat.

That's not a threat, it's solid advice and likely a friendly caution. I've been silenced on the forum for an entire day for using a word that starts with d and rhymes with numb. They're pretty strict with language here.

[Caurcas]

No offense meant, but you are showing exactly the type of behavior the OP means to discourage. Mentor roulettes out of boredom. Using it as some sort of "whatever" button. Actual disdain for new and/or inexperienced players and older content.

I specified EX trials. Story trials, dungeon, 24 mans, 8 mans are all fine. It's an objective waste of time to spend an hour plus for an old EX. You get no bonus rewards and the experience counts for nothing. If you want raid/ex experience hit cap and do the current ones.

[Krotoan]

I specified EX trials. Story trials, dungeon, 24 mans, 8 mans are all fine. It's an objective waste of time to spend an hour plus for an old EX. You get no bonus rewards and the experience counts for nothing. If you want raid/ex experience hit cap and do the current ones.

And each of those has their own queue. You're missing the forest for the trees here. You don't want ALL of what the mentor roulette offers, don't queue it. Referring to other players as "Paint eaters" isn't helping me see your particular forays as mentor mentality endeavors either.
It's an objective waste of time to play a video game. If you think extra time spent helping people learn something is "wasted" then again.. you aren't doing what the mentor program is based around.

[Caurcas]

And each of those has their own queue. You're missing the forest for the trees here. You don't want ALL of what the mentor roulette offers, don't queue it. Referring to other players as "Paint eaters" isn't helping me see your particular forays as mentor mentality endeavors either.
It's an objective waste of time to play a video game. If you think extra time spent helping people learn something is "wasted" then again.. you aren't doing what the mentor program is based around.

I mean I eat 30 minute penalty, and give other players who don't want to be there a free out. Plus those that want to subject themselves to a old synched are free to stay. Everybody wins. Mentorship is voluntary, and as a mentor I can pick and choose when to and when not to mentor.

[Krotoan]

I mean I eat 30 minute penalty, and give other players who don't want to be there a free out. Plus those that want to subject themselves to a old synched are free to stay. Everybody wins. Mentorship is voluntary, and as a mentor I can pick and choose when to and when not to mentor.

You also kill the queue for whomever waited for it to pop so there's that time lost for them. Now they can choose to wait in a "dead" pop and hope backfill works and have nothing to do in the mean time (if they were just in queue they could do other activities) or leave and re-queue and possibly get another person like you. Everyone does not win.

You most definitely can choose when to mentor and when not to mentor. It is not a job. However when you choose to queue "mentor" queue, you'd think you'd be choosing to mentor. You're using a mentor resource with a mentor based purpose.

[Caurcas]

You also kill the queue for whomever waited for it to pop so there's that time lost for them. Now they can choose to wait in a "dead" pop and hope backfill works and have nothing to do in the mean time (if they were just in queue they could do other activities) or leave and re-queue and possibly get another person like you. Everyone does not win.

You most definitely can choose when to mentor and when not to mentor. It is not a job. However when you choose to queue "mentor" queue, you'd think you'd be choosing to mentor. You're using a mentor resource with a mentor based purpose.

Well then they would do well to heed my mentor advice and use PF for EX trials, and then use the free out I gave them to do so.

[Baxcel]

1. Nice threat.

2. If YOU want to dedicate x amount of time to teaching the same group, that is entirely your choice. It is a VOLUNTARY position, none of us are getting paid to do anything. Therefore, how we mentor is entirely up to the individual person. Might want to accept that fact instead of treating it like your way is only proper way of doing things.

3. What we join to help with is also entirely up to us and I'm not sure where you're getting hours of wait time from with PF. Outside of really select stuff (like myth strat for E9S for example which I've personally had a couple hours wait for), PFs fill up quickly. There is also a MASSIVE influx of new players from WoW and other places with Endwalker coming who are also going to be looking to clear the content. Have a little bit of patience, there are literally THOUSANDS of people playing the game at any time, if not TENS of thousands. A party will be formed and you'll get your clear and if not you keep trying. That's how life works.

4. I do join sync'd PFs and also assist with teaching through the PF. Currently I help with fresh progs in Diamond Ex. Please don't throw your baseless assumptions at me like you have any idea who I am in game.

1) was being serious I'm not going report you just giving a heads up.

2)I can an do, that for new players and some of my FC members who wanna do it synced for the first time, as said below your killing the queue by leaving if your the only mentor there.

3)but I'm asking.. if you tell someone to do it in PF.. say it's Ifirit Ex.. are you going to join that PF and help with the advice you gave or are you going to just forget them an requeue for mentor hoping for easy content?

4)not what we're talking about.. Diamond is current content in Raid Finder.. were talking EXs from Stormblood an eariler.. are you joining synced Exs from those? Because you can't unsync Diamond..

5)you didn't answer my last question.. if your not going to teach new players rotations or mechincs or anything that might take more then 20mim of your time.. what are you getting out of being a mentor? What are you a mentor for if your not mentoring new players.?