Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[Krotoan]

What an absolute load of crap. Who are you even to tell other people what they can and can't do in this game?

Someone with an opinion like everyone else in this thread who has their own about how to use a queue. They are just as guilty with their recommendations to "go use PF" and then dipping out.

Mentor's should stick it out if they queue roulette, but the rules are such that they can leave with a penalty if they choose. Just like people should use PF to do extreme trials, but the rules are such that they can queue if they choose. Your reasons to use mentor roulette are not everyone's reasons, your reason's to play this game are not everyone's reasons, and your insistence on trying to dictate what others should do with their time and leisure is frankly embarrassing.

My "insistence" is merely observations about how the queue was made, speculation on reasons for the inclusion of the EX's and noticing that the one of the same problems with the 2 instance roulette, MSQ, is here. People queuing and then ditching when they don't get what they want from what is supposed to be a reward for submitting to random chance.

As Van Arn so very much likes to point out though, I have little to no actual influence over anything and have no delusions of being some sort of dictator as you state. However I like to point out that the roulette's purpose is being completely ignored by people who just want rewards or a complete RNG thing to pass time.

I am a player just like you and your embarrassment at someone else making observations that make people uncomfortable with the implications is your own problem.

[Kogekigami]

Honestly I wouldn't mind ex trials in mentor if I was garneted 2 to 3 more mentors with me...I can never remember every mechanic and sometimes you need just a touch more carry help through them. Some people are willing to try but there's been time I'm literally repeating myself onto death ears. I just want the mount to be honest, would it be worth to have solo mentor queue which is dungeons basic raids and trials etc then a party mentor which is extremes so you can go in with 2 or 3 other mentors and actually help? Let the extreme one count double or something towards the mount as incentive cause atm there is no incentive to stay 1 hour dying to and extreme trial when you can take the penalty do something else for 30 mins and try later and get a guild heist

[LianaThorne]

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Again:
- Mentors are here to offer advice, not play the game for you. Personally when I run with other mentors, one in particular likes to say: "Oh you aren't using x skill, you might want to check your tooltips or watch a video afterwards on how all of your skills work."

Because here's the thing: By taking 10-20m to teach someone their rotation, you're literally holding up every single other person in the party as well. You're concerned about dead queues but not about wasting other people's time because "you" want a one-on-one tutoring session in content or expect one. You get where the one-sidedness you have keeps coming up? What is stopping you from looking up your rotation after the dungeon/trial/whatev (after a mentor says you should) and practicing on a dummy (there are public ones in the overworld) to get better with it? NOTHING.

In relation to your PF question that I already answered, it's up to me. Same as it would be up to you or any other person. If I wanted to do Ifrit Ex, yeah I would join the PF because they tend to be quicker and odds are would get other people who already cleared to make the process faster. If I didn't want to do Ifrit Ex, I would requeue and re-evaluate from there. As I said already, if the group is willing to listen and actively work to take my advice, I will be more than happy to stay and teach. I just don't waste my time on groups who literally can't get it together or scream at me for trying to help. If I was getting paid, I would stay there for hours regardless of that fact.

I'd like to also say that teaching does not equal hand-holding/playing the game for you. In school, your teacher explains the concept of how to do something and gives examples to back up that foundation. In the case of an Ex trial (since you're basing it on that), this would be explaining mechanics and then having the group pull to get a physical example of what is being said. This is also the period for students to ask questions on the material being taught in case they are confused. After the lesson, the teacher usually assigns homework for the student to do to help reinforce everything they learned during the lesson (If no clear, this would be the mentor telling the people having issues to continue watching videos on the run or skills guides if they're having issues with their rotation). No-where in that process does it say that the teacher stops the entire class to teach one person something entirely specific (a.k.a. rotation) to them for 10-20m+ and delay the time they have available to teach (since things are timed in FF and people do leave after it ends). Usually they offer to have that student come after class for extra tutoring (and I do know of mentors who have offered/had sprouts reach out to ask them questions/have them mentor them one-on-one AFTER the dungeon/trial/raid/whatever).

Again, you're expecting people to stop everything for you to teach you something entirely specific to you during content that everyone else is also dedicating time to. I'm not going to turn it into Monk 101 (just as an example) and make everyone else sit through it and wait till the person knows their rotation. I'm going to direct them to a skills guide or a photo of their opener/rotation and get back to the point of why we're all there: to clear the content.

[Ariel_Valmont]

This whole argument of I don’t want people wasting my time is hilarious, as they leave and waste 7 other people’s time. If you don’t want your time wasted, mentor roulette, and possibly even video games in general, isn’t for you.

[BigHoffie]

Someone with an opinion like everyone else in this thread who has their own about how to use a queue. They are just as guilty with their recommendations to "go use PF" and then dipping out.

Not like everyone else... You're arguing against literal facts...

Fact: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they incur a penalty of 30 minutes and a strike.

Your opinion: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they should avoid mentor roulette altogether.

This is you trying to tell others how to play the game when the facts clearly state that they don't have to. If "trying to dictate" is offending your delicate sensibilities I can call it something else.

[Caurcas]

This whole argument of I don’t want people wasting my time is hilarious, as they leave and waste 7 other people’s time. If you don’t want your time wasted, mentor roulette, and possibly even video games in general, isn’t for you.

I mean you were already wasting your time by queuing for an EX in DF.

[Krotoan]

Not like everyone else... You're arguing against literal facts...

Fact: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they incur a penalty of 30 minutes and a strike.

The opinion being that this is the proper use of the queue. If someone thinks this is the correct way that is their opinion. I'm not arguing that people aren't doing this or this isn't what is happening.

Your opinion: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they should avoid mentor roulette altogether.

My opinion is that if you go INTO the roulette with the attitude that if you get something you don't want you're going to leave, which is what is happening, you shouldn't queue in the first place. Don't queue if you're not willing to do it all.

This is you trying to tell others how to play the game when the facts clearly state that they don't have to. If "trying to dictate" is offending your delicate sensibilities I can call it something else.

This is my telling others how I view the queue and why I think their particular methodology for even taking a roulette while cherrypicking which part of it they get goes against the basic idea of the mentor program. It's blatantly obvious people who do this already have convinced themselves it's fine.
These people are also telling others how to play the game: "Go use partyfinder." "don't queue EX in DF" "go research first"... so since you've chosen me to attack me, and attack you are with your initial hostile language instead of a discussion like even those who are opposed to my opinion are doing, I can only assume you're just here to push your own preferred use of the queue since you've left them alone.

[Roeshel]

TMy opinion is that if you go INTO the roulette with the attitude that if you get something you don't want you're going to leave, which is what is happening, you shouldn't queue in the first place. Don't queue if you're not willing to do it all.

Why do people have to stay and help people that don't want to be helped?

[Krotoan]

Why do people have to stay and help people that don't want to be helped?

That has never been my position. If you truly have a party full of people who simply wish to ignore all advice and continue to be a detriment they should be vote kicked or if in the majority you should ask yourself to be votekicked.
The problem is when you don't even give them a chance to prove they want to learn by auto-popping out as soon as you see a "hard" instance. I'm not asking people to be a martyr, but overall the position here seems like people don't even want to try yet they want the benefits or resource of the mentor queue to conform to their needs rather than who it was made for.

[ZedxKayn]

This whole argument of I don’t want people wasting my time is hilarious, as they leave and waste 7 other people’s time. If you don’t want your time wasted, mentor roulette, and possibly even video games in general, isn’t for you.

Video game = wasted time isn't a good argument btw. Entertainment isn't wasted time, it's necessary and healthy.

It becomes wasted time when players make the game annoying to play for others and instances take a lot longer than necessary by disregarding their party members and knowingly half-assing their job or not listening.