Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[Nanchi]

Ex trials need to go. No question there.
Imagine playing on the EU datacenter and getting people who cannot speak English, the auto translate function is not advanced enough to explain the mechanic of an Ex fight.

Also to expect Mentors to know every single ex trial mechanic is a bit much, I know carrying the "crown" comes with certain responsibilities but the amount of stress is not worth the effort.

Also I do not trust randos to learn mechanics in a reasonable time frame if half the time I queue for any dungeon I get low-effort people who don't know how to play their job. 90% of people that use df for ex trials have probably no idea what they are doing.

[Tlamila]

Ex trials need to go. No question there.
Imagine playing on the EU datacenter and getting people who cannot speak English, the auto translate function is not advanced enough to explain the mechanic of an Ex fight.

Also to expect Mentors to know every single ex trial mechanic is a bit much, I know carrying the "crown" comes with certain responsibilities but the amount of stress is not worth the effort.

Also I do not trust randos to learn mechanics in a reasonable time frame if half the time I queue for any dungeon I get low-effort people who don't know how to play their job. 90% of people that use df for ex trials have probably no idea what they are doing.

This. Even in dungeons I often have a hard time even getting a new tank to put stance on or aoe, possibly because of language barrier. I try to use auto-translate the most possibile, but I can't even imagine trying to explain an ex in auto-translate. The number of people who don't speak English is pretty big, and it's not even just a problem of "don't enable all languages then" cause it doesn't account for the neverending languages people speak, it only does for E/F/D/J.

And the remembering the mechanics too tbh. Which only gets worse as expansions progress and more fights are added. There's already countless dungeons, trials and raids you need to remember all mechanics of, remembering all mechanics of all exes as well is a bit much. It doesn't help that a lot of the playerbase expects mentors to be some sort of all-knowing gods, as well as perfect at gameplay and everything. A double Buddah basically.

[Fynlar]

So why would they put those into the queue if they didn't want you to possibly be matched with inexperienced players or run "extended" instances?

I don't think "inexperienced" players should be doing extremes in the first place. Assuming you're not just unsyncing the old EX fights nowadays, they're meant for more experienced players looking for more of a challenge, which I don't feel is within the scope of what mentors are supposed to be around for. They're there to be helping novices, hence why they have access to a Novice Network. EX trials pretty obviously aren't for novices.

In short, I have no idea why EX trials are in the roulette. I never felt they belonged there in the first place.

Also agreed that CM/Prae shouldn't be in the mentor roulette either. If I get them there, I just leave. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm not there for a boring forced-cutscene-fest, and if I was I would be queueing MSQ roulette.

[LittleImp]

This is one issue I seem to diverge from most on.

Most EX's that appear in mentor roulette are completely trivial with echo and oversyncing. I would peg my clear-rate at 85-95% with, with a few specific fights being the source of almost every failed attempt. Ramuh EX in particular stands out, as it's difficult to explain how to manage that fight on new tanks. It's extremely rare to see non-ARR fights, as most people have learned that queuing EX's isn't ideal once they complete ARR.

The simple solution is to not queue for mentor roulette. Queuing EX's is viable in the games primary region, and they aren't going to adjust the system because NA players are babies.

[Fynlar]

The simple solution is to not queue for mentor roulette.

Alas, this is a non-solution, as people do mentor roulette for the mount/achievements/whatever, which cannot be gotten any other way.

People can say "you should be doing it to help people!" all they want, but let's face it -- if they took the mount/achievements/whatever away, the roulette may as well not even exist anymore, because the majority of people wouldn't do it anymore.

Imagine if MSQ roulette still had the old paltry rewards but still forced cutscenes on everyone. You think people would keep doing it as much as they do now?

[ZedxKayn]

The mentor roulette is kind of weird. Its purpose is to help fill up parties that have been in queue for too long- but why should this be limited to mentors? Where does mentoring comes in filling in? They're completely unrelated.

I personally couldn't care less about the rewards, my incentive for queueing for MR is quite literally killing time, and I'll do about anything except MSQ or EX.

But while I do enjoy teaching harder content greatly, I do it through learning PFs, where people are going to be receptive to instructions and advices and are more likely to take suggestions well. Where I'm unlikely to be met with resistance when I'm trying to help.

Extreme isn't content for novices and new players, I remember queueing up for Ramuh EX as a probably undergeared sprout who was as close to pure cureboting as I could get, because the game told me to use DF to queue for it.
Until then I've been able to basically sleep at the wheel and get away with it, and was expecting another roflstomp, absolutely not ready for harder content, because the game never gave me a reason to do any more than "winging it". We cleared but I really didn't enjoy my time and didn't feel that good once it was done because I was still clueless- what even was that?

Maybe encouraging players to queue up for EXs in DF was acceptable when the game was older, when level 50 was the endgame and people had a better grasp of their job at that level, but ARR is far from endgame now, lv50 is just a level like the 78 others that aren't 80, and encouraging unexpecting and unprepared sprouts to partake in what was once considered high-end difficulty content, if it ever worked, certainly doesn't work anymore.

So I really think mentor roulette has no real reason to be, ARR EXs should be unlocked like the more recent ones: no quests, just an unlock, mentor roulette ditched and a roulette that covers every "standard" instanced content (no MSQ, no EX/Savage/Ultimate, no DR), not limited to mentors, should be added, and Astrope moved there.

[Infindox]

I'm not sure how other people.are, but if I get a synced EX in Mentor Roulette I will at least try to get them through it. I'll even admit if it's something I haven't done in ages and I only know a few things. But there comes a point when you realize the group you are with bit off more then they can chew and they aren't going to win. A wipe or two doesn't mean they can't, but if they continue to wipe to things and aren't learning, I'll take that 30 (or hope.someone else leaves first so I don't have to).

[ReynTime]

FFXIV's team conditioned most players into thinking they're entitled to every single reward, including daily bonus, without going through the struggles required. That extends to mentors who don't want to mentor/teach but want the benefits of being a mentor, including quitting duties when they're barely starting even it will make you and 5 or 6 others wait longer.

This goes to everyone who thinks the mentor system is the problem rather than the symptom of the bigger issue.

[Tlamila]

FFXIV's team conditioned most players into thinking they're entitled to every single reward

Yes, I agree. They conditioned people to thinking they can just queue for hard endgame content with 0 preparation or effort and have someone else carry them through it and get their clear, for example having mentors carry people through ARR EXes in DF. Very lazy mentality.

(PS: sprouts probably aren't to blame for queueing those, they have no clue what they are, quest tells them to just queue and all, non-sprouts who think that's how it should be though....)

[Anhra]

A Mentor that isn't capable of doing old content synced, shouldn't be a Mentor in the first place. I think abandoning one such duty should be punished by having the Mentor status removed for a limited time (1 week for leave, then +1 day added for every leave that follows).