Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[Krotoan]

I don't give a crap about the reward, nor do I feel a duty to drag paint eaters through content years old and utterly irrelevant that they can easily do in five minutes unsynched. I do mentor roulette when I am bored, and if I get an ex nine times out of ten I'll bounce and give the other six poor sods a free way out.

No offense meant, but you are showing exactly the type of behavior the OP means to discourage. Mentor roulettes out of boredom. Using it as some sort of "whatever" button. Actual disdain for new and/or inexperienced players and older content.

So while I get you want some sort of outlet, the mentor system is not meant for what you're using it for.

1. Nice threat.

That's not a threat, it's solid advice and likely a friendly caution. I've been silenced on the forum for an entire day for using a word that starts with d and rhymes with numb. They're pretty strict with language here.

[Caurcas]

No offense meant, but you are showing exactly the type of behavior the OP means to discourage. Mentor roulettes out of boredom. Using it as some sort of "whatever" button. Actual disdain for new and/or inexperienced players and older content.

I specified EX trials. Story trials, dungeon, 24 mans, 8 mans are all fine. It's an objective waste of time to spend an hour plus for an old EX. You get no bonus rewards and the experience counts for nothing. If you want raid/ex experience hit cap and do the current ones.

[Krotoan]

I specified EX trials. Story trials, dungeon, 24 mans, 8 mans are all fine. It's an objective waste of time to spend an hour plus for an old EX. You get no bonus rewards and the experience counts for nothing. If you want raid/ex experience hit cap and do the current ones.

And each of those has their own queue. You're missing the forest for the trees here. You don't want ALL of what the mentor roulette offers, don't queue it. Referring to other players as "Paint eaters" isn't helping me see your particular forays as mentor mentality endeavors either.
It's an objective waste of time to play a video game. If you think extra time spent helping people learn something is "wasted" then again.. you aren't doing what the mentor program is based around.

[Caurcas]

And each of those has their own queue. You're missing the forest for the trees here. You don't want ALL of what the mentor roulette offers, don't queue it. Referring to other players as "Paint eaters" isn't helping me see your particular forays as mentor mentality endeavors either.
It's an objective waste of time to play a video game. If you think extra time spent helping people learn something is "wasted" then again.. you aren't doing what the mentor program is based around.

I mean I eat 30 minute penalty, and give other players who don't want to be there a free out. Plus those that want to subject themselves to a old synched are free to stay. Everybody wins. Mentorship is voluntary, and as a mentor I can pick and choose when to and when not to mentor.

[Krotoan]

I mean I eat 30 minute penalty, and give other players who don't want to be there a free out. Plus those that want to subject themselves to a old synched are free to stay. Everybody wins. Mentorship is voluntary, and as a mentor I can pick and choose when to and when not to mentor.

You also kill the queue for whomever waited for it to pop so there's that time lost for them. Now they can choose to wait in a "dead" pop and hope backfill works and have nothing to do in the mean time (if they were just in queue they could do other activities) or leave and re-queue and possibly get another person like you. Everyone does not win.

You most definitely can choose when to mentor and when not to mentor. It is not a job. However when you choose to queue "mentor" queue, you'd think you'd be choosing to mentor. You're using a mentor resource with a mentor based purpose.

[Caurcas]

You also kill the queue for whomever waited for it to pop so there's that time lost for them. Now they can choose to wait in a "dead" pop and hope backfill works and have nothing to do in the mean time (if they were just in queue they could do other activities) or leave and re-queue and possibly get another person like you. Everyone does not win.

You most definitely can choose when to mentor and when not to mentor. It is not a job. However when you choose to queue "mentor" queue, you'd think you'd be choosing to mentor. You're using a mentor resource with a mentor based purpose.

Well then they would do well to heed my mentor advice and use PF for EX trials, and then use the free out I gave them to do so.

[Krotoan]

Well then they would do well to heed my mentor advice and use PF for EX trials, and then use the free out I gave them to do so.

Solid advice for where we are with how people treat the mentor queue. Granted.
But again.. the point of this whole thread being that people using mentor queue as just another roulette they can cherrypick is the problem and PF being a solution to a symptom.
The point of a "punishment" for dropping out being it would discourage that kind of people from queuing in the first place and leave only the people willing to put the full investment into whatever they got.

Also it could be said some effort could be made towards emphasizing how much of a difficulty curve an EX (at synch) is and an acknowledgement that PF exists so that people who are not of the sort to prep, could use other avenues. It is not entirely the people "abusing" the mentor roulettes fault but they aren't using the system as intended, just within functionality.

[Mosha]

Why are we including duties that discourage the majority of mentors from using it, especially when the accepted way to handle EX fights is through PF.
I would love to use mentor rolo but the fear of a tank with a shire axe in Tsukuyomi EX is real, its not just hard to drag 7 sprouts through EX content is nigh impossible.
let me join content where I can be useful, where I know it's not an impossible situation to win.

[van_arn]

It’s no small comfort no matter what people say someone “should” do on the forums, they’re powerless to stop anyone from dropping a duty.

[MrMagic]

The point of a "punishment" for dropping out being it would discourage that kind of people from queuing in the first place and leave only the people willing to put the full investment into whatever they got.

So instead of actually having mentors able to join and teach a hard mode dungeon, your solution is to leave it to sprouts who could have done with a mentor, but your expectations are so high they get nothing instead. There's other content that needs mentoring other than the handful of Ex trials you know.