Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[BigHoffie]

Then don't queue. I'm beginning to think you aren't listening either. Don't.. queue... if you don't want to do it or feel it's "a futile situation".

What an absolute load of crap. Who are you even to tell other people what they can and can't do in this game? Mentor's should stick it out if they queue roulette, but the rules are such that they can leave with a penalty if they choose. Just like people should use PF to do extreme trials, but the rules are such that they can queue if they choose. Your reasons to use mentor roulette are not everyone's reasons, your reason's to play this game are not everyone's reasons, and your insistence on trying to dictate what others should do with their time and leisure is frankly embarrassing.

[Krotoan]

What an absolute load of crap. Who are you even to tell other people what they can and can't do in this game?

Someone with an opinion like everyone else in this thread who has their own about how to use a queue. They are just as guilty with their recommendations to "go use PF" and then dipping out.

Mentor's should stick it out if they queue roulette, but the rules are such that they can leave with a penalty if they choose. Just like people should use PF to do extreme trials, but the rules are such that they can queue if they choose. Your reasons to use mentor roulette are not everyone's reasons, your reason's to play this game are not everyone's reasons, and your insistence on trying to dictate what others should do with their time and leisure is frankly embarrassing.

My "insistence" is merely observations about how the queue was made, speculation on reasons for the inclusion of the EX's and noticing that the one of the same problems with the 2 instance roulette, MSQ, is here. People queuing and then ditching when they don't get what they want from what is supposed to be a reward for submitting to random chance.

As Van Arn so very much likes to point out though, I have little to no actual influence over anything and have no delusions of being some sort of dictator as you state. However I like to point out that the roulette's purpose is being completely ignored by people who just want rewards or a complete RNG thing to pass time.

I am a player just like you and your embarrassment at someone else making observations that make people uncomfortable with the implications is your own problem.

[BigHoffie]

Someone with an opinion like everyone else in this thread who has their own about how to use a queue. They are just as guilty with their recommendations to "go use PF" and then dipping out.

Not like everyone else... You're arguing against literal facts...

Fact: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they incur a penalty of 30 minutes and a strike.

Your opinion: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they should avoid mentor roulette altogether.

This is you trying to tell others how to play the game when the facts clearly state that they don't have to. If "trying to dictate" is offending your delicate sensibilities I can call it something else.

[Krotoan]

Not like everyone else... You're arguing against literal facts...

Fact: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they incur a penalty of 30 minutes and a strike.

The opinion being that this is the proper use of the queue. If someone thinks this is the correct way that is their opinion. I'm not arguing that people aren't doing this or this isn't what is happening.

Your opinion: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they should avoid mentor roulette altogether.

My opinion is that if you go INTO the roulette with the attitude that if you get something you don't want you're going to leave, which is what is happening, you shouldn't queue in the first place. Don't queue if you're not willing to do it all.

This is you trying to tell others how to play the game when the facts clearly state that they don't have to. If "trying to dictate" is offending your delicate sensibilities I can call it something else.

This is my telling others how I view the queue and why I think their particular methodology for even taking a roulette while cherrypicking which part of it they get goes against the basic idea of the mentor program. It's blatantly obvious people who do this already have convinced themselves it's fine.
These people are also telling others how to play the game: "Go use partyfinder." "don't queue EX in DF" "go research first"... so since you've chosen me to attack me, and attack you are with your initial hostile language instead of a discussion like even those who are opposed to my opinion are doing, I can only assume you're just here to push your own preferred use of the queue since you've left them alone.

[Roeshel]

TMy opinion is that if you go INTO the roulette with the attitude that if you get something you don't want you're going to leave, which is what is happening, you shouldn't queue in the first place. Don't queue if you're not willing to do it all.

Why do people have to stay and help people that don't want to be helped?

[Krotoan]

Why do people have to stay and help people that don't want to be helped?

That has never been my position. If you truly have a party full of people who simply wish to ignore all advice and continue to be a detriment they should be vote kicked or if in the majority you should ask yourself to be votekicked.
The problem is when you don't even give them a chance to prove they want to learn by auto-popping out as soon as you see a "hard" instance. I'm not asking people to be a martyr, but overall the position here seems like people don't even want to try yet they want the benefits or resource of the mentor queue to conform to their needs rather than who it was made for.

[Reinha]

If you truly have a party full of people who simply wish to ignore all advice and continue to be a detriment they should be vote kicked or if in the majority you should ask yourself to be votekicked.

This seems backwards. The people who want to ignore advice want to be in the instance and experience the fight, and I kind of don't want to stay in the instance with a hopeless group. Then why would I try to kick people who want to be there instead of removing the person who doesn't, which is myself?

And please don't beg to be kicked. It's embarrassing to watch people try to avoid the penalty. Not good player etiquette at all.