Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[BigHoffie]

Someone with an opinion like everyone else in this thread who has their own about how to use a queue. They are just as guilty with their recommendations to "go use PF" and then dipping out.

Not like everyone else... You're arguing against literal facts...

Fact: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they incur a penalty of 30 minutes and a strike.

Your opinion: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they should avoid mentor roulette altogether.

This is you trying to tell others how to play the game when the facts clearly state that they don't have to. If "trying to dictate" is offending your delicate sensibilities I can call it something else.

[Krotoan]

Not like everyone else... You're arguing against literal facts...

Fact: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they incur a penalty of 30 minutes and a strike.

The opinion being that this is the proper use of the queue. If someone thinks this is the correct way that is their opinion. I'm not arguing that people aren't doing this or this isn't what is happening.

Your opinion: If someone queues for a mentor roulette and decides for any reason after entering that they don't want to participate they should avoid mentor roulette altogether.

My opinion is that if you go INTO the roulette with the attitude that if you get something you don't want you're going to leave, which is what is happening, you shouldn't queue in the first place. Don't queue if you're not willing to do it all.

This is you trying to tell others how to play the game when the facts clearly state that they don't have to. If "trying to dictate" is offending your delicate sensibilities I can call it something else.

This is my telling others how I view the queue and why I think their particular methodology for even taking a roulette while cherrypicking which part of it they get goes against the basic idea of the mentor program. It's blatantly obvious people who do this already have convinced themselves it's fine.
These people are also telling others how to play the game: "Go use partyfinder." "don't queue EX in DF" "go research first"... so since you've chosen me to attack me, and attack you are with your initial hostile language instead of a discussion like even those who are opposed to my opinion are doing, I can only assume you're just here to push your own preferred use of the queue since you've left them alone.

[Roeshel]

TMy opinion is that if you go INTO the roulette with the attitude that if you get something you don't want you're going to leave, which is what is happening, you shouldn't queue in the first place. Don't queue if you're not willing to do it all.

Why do people have to stay and help people that don't want to be helped?

[Krotoan]

Why do people have to stay and help people that don't want to be helped?

That has never been my position. If you truly have a party full of people who simply wish to ignore all advice and continue to be a detriment they should be vote kicked or if in the majority you should ask yourself to be votekicked.
The problem is when you don't even give them a chance to prove they want to learn by auto-popping out as soon as you see a "hard" instance. I'm not asking people to be a martyr, but overall the position here seems like people don't even want to try yet they want the benefits or resource of the mentor queue to conform to their needs rather than who it was made for.

[Reinha]

If you truly have a party full of people who simply wish to ignore all advice and continue to be a detriment they should be vote kicked or if in the majority you should ask yourself to be votekicked.

This seems backwards. The people who want to ignore advice want to be in the instance and experience the fight, and I kind of don't want to stay in the instance with a hopeless group. Then why would I try to kick people who want to be there instead of removing the person who doesn't, which is myself?

And please don't beg to be kicked. It's embarrassing to watch people try to avoid the penalty. Not good player etiquette at all.

[Krotoan]

This seems backwards. The people who want to ignore advice want to be in the instance and experience the fight, and I kind of don't want to stay in the instance with a hopeless group. Then why would I try to kick people who want to be there instead of removing the person who doesn't, which is myself?

And please don't beg to be kicked. It's embarrassing to watch people try to avoid the penalty. Not good player etiquette at all.

You're looking at it backwards I think. The entire point of the queue is to put experienced people with those who need help. If EITHER side of that isn't holding up their part of the idea, they shouldn't be in the instance and they shouldn't expect others to conform to their outside goals. People who queue DF should be willing to: Put up with a certain amount of lack of skill or organization that comes with playing with all kinds of random people online and be willing to take guidance if they have never experienced an encounter before. If they want to learn all by their selves without listening to anyone, they can do that elsewhere and the game should direct them so (I know it doesn't now, the system needs a LOT of work).

It's not begging, it's politely asking. Because I also agree that if people don't want to be taught, there is nothing that can be done and in that case no amount of effort on the Mentors side is going to change things.

The problem I see is with the "omgit'sEXbye!" people AND the "you don't pay my sub" people. I'm not of the opinion that a giant punishment for leaving will solve all problems. There are downsides and possible negative effects. But a few of the more glaring issues with the queue right now could be solved with people not queueing if they are entirely unwilling to run instances that are contained in it.

Good player etiquette involves understanding others may have limits and while they might try, if you outright refuse to listen at all or simply CANNOT perform the necessary mechanics within a reasonable amount of iterations, they are allowed to give up since they gave it their best.