Relo mechanics are Cancer

[Kenky]

It's funny that people who already have houses think relocation is fine. Meanwhile I've been sniped four times in the last week by jerk relocators.

The issue you have here is pretty simple. Plenty of players have purchased less-than-desirable plots (to maximize their chances) and don't want to stay there. Once you own a house, you can then start looking around for your personal 'favorite plot' and work to move there. The people that "snipe" plots find the plot you're trying to buy far more favorable than their own. (Goblet plot 58 is usually despised given its location as an example, so anything other than plot 58 is an upgrade) Though there are people that obviously abuse this system purely for shiggles.. That just cannot be helped, sadly.

While I am firmly in the camp that we don't need to Relocate multiple times a day (I personally think once a week is a better option, as it would sync up with the weekly reset.) removing the Relocation system in its entirety would be damaging more than anything else. Because then it would no longer be "hunting for any vacant plot" but "hunting for your preferred plot only". That would reduce your chances of getting a house to essentially zero.

[Jojoya]

Do you have data to back up this point?

My data is "common sense".

What's your data to prove it's the same player who relocated to each of those 5 plots?

Not sure why you felt asking such a stupid question would lead to constructive discussion.

I'm not. I'm annoyed with the relocaters, and I'm annoyed with SE for letting them do it. Every relocate just increases the amount of time it takes for a new owner to buy a plot. This does not help the housing situation in any way, shape, or form.

Relocation helps with some of the other problems that used to come from housing, like FC disbandment and needing to totally clear out inventory on multiple retainers to make room for housing items that had been placed. It reduces the number of players turning to flippers to get their dream plot (though flipping will never completely disappear as long as supply of any size house is less than the demand).

Once you get a house, you too will be able to relocate to a plot you like better if it becomes available. You will have already paid your Housing Savage dues.

There are only two things that will take away the headaches you're experiencing right now as you try to buy: SE deletes the ward system altogether or SE fixes the supply problem. I doubt the former will ever happen since it would make hundreds of thousands of players extremely unhappy so we need to focus SE's attention on doing the latter.

Other MMOs do not have this problem with housing. Neither should FFXIV.

[ItMe]

My data is "common sense".

What's your data to prove it's the same player who relocated to each of those 5 plots?

Not sure why you felt asking such a stupid question would lead to constructive discussion.

I thought it was a valuable question... : (
You usually have real solid data after all ; )

Also, they're not the one who made the assertion that it was the same player relocating 5 times.

[Almagnus1]

My data is "common sense".

What's your data to prove it's the same player who relocated to each of those 5 plots?

Not sure why you felt asking such a stupid question would lead to constructive discussion.

Right now, we only have conjecture that it's one way or the other. AFAIK, there is no data tracking what's going on with the relocations, and better understanding what the overall housing trends are (for example, data showing that people tend to buy houses in Lavender beds or Goblet, and then relocate into Shirogane or Mist) would help us understand what the player base is doing, so guidelines like "if you want to avoid frustration with this system, it's best to spend your time buying a house here, and then after you have a house, relo into here" can be made based on the data.

But... without the data... all we can do is navel gaze and theorize about what may be best. It's no different than a bunch of raiders discussing skills for a savage fight without having a DPS parser, and concluding that skill X should never be used because it doesn't do anything... when the reality is that skill X is a really impactful skill, but not a flashy one.

[Seleni]

Right now, we only have conjecture that it's one way or the other. AFAIK, there is no data tracking what's going on with the relocations, and better understanding what the overall housing trends are (for example, data showing that people tend to buy houses in Lavender beds or Goblet, and then relocate into Shirogane or Mist) would help us understand what the player base is doing, so guidelines like "if you want to avoid frustration with this system, it's best to spend your time buying a house here, and then after you have a house, relo into here" can be made based on the data.

But... without the data... all we can do is navel gaze and theorize about what may be best. It's no different than a bunch of raiders discussing skills for a savage fight without having a DPS parser, and concluding that skill X should never be used because it doesn't do anything... when the reality is that skill X is a really impactful skill, but not a flashy one.

The only entity to possibly have access to such data is SE. (That is assuming they log relocations, rather than simply performing a check at time of purchase). Otherwise you are basically relying on perceptions of house-hunters.

You might get a feeling on which plots tend up open up more, or seemingly stay the full duration of its timer, but those are trends, and not a guaranteed. Because relocators could prefer a plot over another for all sorts of reasons, including simply being in same ward with friends.

In the end it still all depend on your luck.

[Divinemights]

Did it ever occur to you that asking for data showing people relocating (in this case, the assumed 5 in the example) would actually strengthen Jojoya's position?

Did it also occur to you that maybe I'm asking for that data as making it more generally available would help transition the board away from these idiotic assumptions into a more data drive discussion?

Do I looks like I am supporting your idea on relocation?
You don't have the data either and you are trying to over-exaggerating the issue, again.

[Catstab]

I'm not [angry at the wrong people]. I'm annoyed with the relocaters

That was Jojoya's point. If you're angry at the other players for playing the game, you need to re-evaluate. The other players are not your enemy.

[Coletergeist]

Right now, we only have conjecture that it's one way or the other. AFAIK, there is no data tracking what's going on with the relocations, and better understanding what the overall housing trends are (for example, data showing that people tend to buy houses in Lavender beds or Goblet, and then relocate into Shirogane or Mist) would help us understand what the player base is doing, so guidelines like "if you want to avoid frustration with this system, it's best to spend your time buying a house here, and then after you have a house, relo into here" can be made based on the data.

But... without the data... all we can do is navel gaze and theorize about what may be best. It's no different than a bunch of raiders discussing skills for a savage fight without having a DPS parser, and concluding that skill X should never be used because it doesn't do anything... when the reality is that skill X is a really impactful skill, but not a flashy one.

If we had this data that everyone would follow in order to get a house, then everybody would be in the same location. You'd be competing with all those people since the data was given to say that place is where everyone goes first.
You'd be back to square one.

[Malk77]

That was Jojoya's point. If you're angry at the other players for playing the game, you need to re-evaluate. The other players are not your enemy.

Way to misquote me. Other players shouldn't be given the opportunity to interfere with my playing. All this talk about "undesirable" plots is ridiculous. Instead of being happy they've succeeded at the RNG fest that is housing, people insist they are owed a better location, even at the expense of other players.

[Kenky]

Way to misquote me. Other players shouldn't be given the opportunity to interfere with my playing. All this talk about "undesirable" plots is ridiculous. Instead of being happy they've succeeded at the RNG fest that is housing, people insist they are owed a better location, even at the expense of other players.

So, instead of simply trying to get into a plot by any means (which would net you a far higher chance of owning a house), you would prefer people are locked to JUST the plot they purchase? If that truly is the case then I sure do hope you're comfy with never getting a house at all. Not to mention causing significantly more hate, anger and frustration towards each other alongside making mediums and larges actually impossible to obtain.

And lastly. Relocating to a new plot does not come at the expense of other players.. One plot remains vacant, as it's not like the relocator owns both at the same time. "Oh, but the timer resets!" Yell at the people that forced SE to put the timer in to begin with. But I'm sure you'll also yell about removing the timer, which will automatically deny you any house at all. Period. Because Botters will snatch them all up and then you'll only have yourself to blame.

Players relocating to a plot they personally prefer over their old plot should not be punished. Players having a change of scenery should not be punished.