Relo mechanics are Cancer

[azura84]

The relocator (in most cases) already had their battle with the timer to get a house in the first place. They haven't skipped anything.

No most of them have not, most of them have had their houses before this began but my solution is still valid, they still get a trump card if they show they are watching and they dont have to play the waiting game if they dont want.

The length of the timer is the real problem. Capping it at 3-4 hours compared to the 24+ hours would be a significant improvement.

I completely agree with this, there is no need for it to be 24+

We effectively had that back before 4.1 when there was no timer. Players DIDN'T welcome it.

A lot of the social economic issues we have in the real world are due to land barons jacking up property prices so ordinary people have a difficult time securing a place to live while still being able to afford things like food, clothing, transportation, etc. Let's not encourage the game to repeat real world mistakes.

I agree, it wasn't great and "welcome it" was probably the wrong way to say it, but I think players would prefer knowing what they need to save for rather than waiting and indefinite amount of time in a competitive camping system, at least in the state it currently is in. if they did the 3-4hr window that would be far more appreciated, then first come first serve after that timer and they would still stop people from black market dealing. i think your 3-4hr window would relieve a lot of the relocating stresses too, you wouldn't need a window for relocation then just let them have priority and people would be accepting of that because i think a lot of us who get a plot in lavender beds would love to get a shiragone house if it became available.

[Sotaris]

We have login queues, but it usually 10-30 people. You'll be online in like 1 minute tops.

[Commander_Justitia]

Bozja has better priority access management to duels than housing does for buying a free plot.

[Arohk]

If there was no timer on placards, you would need to camp the housing areas 24/7 for weeks until a plot opens up and then would just lose it to the first person getting there.

As i suggested before, relocation shouldnt reset the timer of the new open plot.

[LaylaTsarra]

If there was no timer on placards, you would need to camp the housing areas 24/7 for weeks until a plot opens up and then would just lose it to the first person getting there.

As i suggested before, relocation shouldnt reset the timer of the new open plot.

At the least it should reset it to the timer of the existing plot that was relocated to.

[Jojoya]

If there was no timer on placards, you would need to camp the housing areas 24/7 for weeks until a plot opens up and then would just lose it to the first person getting there.

As i suggested before, relocation shouldnt reset the timer of the new open plot.

I've got one of the more desirable Mist medium plots. Occasionally I think about maybe relocating to a small (haven't so far because I do a LOT of gardening but I may lose interest in that depending on what Island Sanctuary brings).

So some flipper approaches me, says "I'd really like to buy your plot. If you ever think about giving it up or relocating, I'll pay you to let me know when you're going to do it." (I've had that happen twice in the 3 years I've had the plot). I decide I'm ready to relocate, find a plot I'm satisfied with, flipper pays me a few mlllion gil when I tell him I'll be relocating in 5 minutes then immediately buys my plot once I do.

Yeah, no. The timer needs to stay in place even when the plot is relinquished through relocation. I'm still in favor of reducing the max length of the timer but not removing it completely unless SE solves the supply problem. As long as there's more demand for houses than supply, we need that timer. It's not a complete solution to the flipping problem but it has cut into it quite a bit.

[Arohk]

Why would you relocate to a small house when you already got a medium one. You will lose so much item slots. Small houses are ao limited of what you can build in them because of the 200 items. Just get rid of your basement in the medium house then 300 items is alsmost fine for it. My medium house uses around 250 items in the First floor already and i just had enough left for a small bathroom on the top.

[NanaWiloh]

Why would you relocate to a small house when you already got a medium one. You will lose so much item slots. Small houses are ao limited of what you can build in them because of the 200 items. Just get rid of your basement in the medium house then 300 items is alsmost fine for it. My medium house uses around 250 items in the First floor already and i just had enough left for a small bathroom on the top.

250 items on the first floor wow!!! Must homes have scene in photos and videos using that many items on one floor. Have had some serious detail put into the decorating and covering of every inch of space.

[Arohk]

250 items on the first floor wow!!! Must homes have scene in photos and videos using that many items on one floor. Have had some serious detail put into the decorating and covering of every inch of space.

funny enough, it looks rather empty, the items are mostly walls and partitions.

[Jojoya]

Why would you relocate to a small house when you already got a medium one. You will lose so much item slots. Small houses are ao limited of what you can build in them because of the 200 items. Just get rid of your basement in the medium house then 300 items is alsmost fine for it. My medium house uses around 250 items in the First floor already and i just had enough left for a small bathroom on the top.

That's what I frequently do - float items in the stairwell to the basement to partition it off then use the item budget on ground and top floors.

But then I think about what use I make of the space in the house once it's decorated and that amounts to about the same that a small house has. Until I stripped my house to redecorate yesterday, I'd walk in and immediately go to the space next to the stairs going up where I had my summoning bell and would do my crafting. If I was going to afk on my character for a bit while I look things up online or do some quick chores, I'd use the "sitting area" in the stairwell partition or go upstairs and doze on the bed. I pretty much ignored everything else despite the effort i went to decorate it all.

I don't need a medium house interior when I'm not actively utilizing the entire space except when redecorating. The layout and increased item limit might have more flexibility for design (why I wish housing interiors were more of an open sandbox than a prefab multifloor dwelling) but I'm still able to decorate in a small.

Limitations can be good for sparking creativity just as much as their lack. "How much can I accomplish with what little I have?" The truth is quite a bit even in the case of an apartment. You can't fill it with lots of clutter but you can create interesting spaces.

I do need the medium exterior because of all the gardening I do and I'll freely admit I love having the larger outdoor item limit. I do the same outside as I do inside - one third gets mostly ignored (has my 2 garden patches and a lamppost) while the rest of the item limit is used on the other 2/3s of the yard.

I understand the technical reasons why we've got such small outdoor item limits but then that becomes another reason for wanting a better fully instanced housing system. Imagine the exteriors we could be designing if we weren't limited to 20/30/40 items and could use 100 or 150 items instead. Housing in this game really gets held by the idea that everyone wants to be city folk living in cramped neighborhoods when some of us would rather be country folk living in isolation and saving the city for when it's time to work.

But, yes, I wouldn't have a problem downsizing if I either lost interest in gardening or could still access it in other ways. If I ever got a major itch to work with a medium interior, I have lots of friends who hate decorating and some of them have mediums (I've decorated for them in the past).