Relo mechanics are Cancer

[Seleni]

I'm not letting SE off the hook, but I'm not going to let selfish players off the hook either.

If my apartment had an outside I could decorate, complete with space for a garden, then I wouldn't care about a house. It does not. Two flowerpots that can't be used for cross-breeding isn't the same as a garden. I want access to the same content as other players, as I'm paying the same amount as they are paying. I'm sadly unsurprised by the elitist gatekeeping going on among the player base when it comes to housing.

Even if SE make it so relocators can no longer bypass timers, you’ll still have to compete against other house-hunters on the placard clicking war, only now with relocators added to the group.

For plots that relocators aren’t interested in, the number of competitors would be the same as before, because there never were relocators to begin with.

But if you have specific location in mind that happens to be popular, you now have a lot more people competing against you. And as result, a lot more players who’d be clicking for hours and end up losing their dream plot.

So basically, just a lot more unhappy players.

[Malk77]

You're wasting your time with Catstab (and as you have seen) they will only stuff words into your mouth and then call you evil for they altered your quote into and proceed to berate your for Hydaelyn knows why.

I'm just going to ignore him.

[Catstab]

I'm just going to ignore him.

Eh, I've said nothing to you but "don't harass other players." Ignore me all you want, but if you go against my advice, there's a good chance the behavior would be reported and actioned.

[Almagnus1]

Even if SE make it so relocators can no longer bypass timers, you’ll still have to compete against other house-hunters on the placard clicking war, only now with relocators added to the group.

For plots that relocators aren’t interested in, the number of competitors would be the same as before, because there never were relocators to begin with.

But if you have specific location in mind that happens to be popular, you now have a lot more people competing against you. And as result, a lot more players who’d be clicking for hours and end up losing their dream plot.

So basically, just a lot more unhappy players.

That's a large reason why I want to see gardening and workshops completely decoupled from housing.

[Valfreyja]

The cancer is a lot of things. It's not just "relocation".

First, the fact that they grandfathered in player's with multiple houses when they issued new rules. It needs to be 1 house per account.

Second, the click system to get a house needs to go. Players are to blame, because they abused the system. But SE needs to come up with something better.

Third, SE needs to add more. 30 more Plots per Ward would give us 10k per world with Ishgard, which is a good start.

Fourth, the size of things. FC rooms and Apartments could be made the size of Cottages. With a basement area.
Add in an instanced garden for them. Or better, an indoor item that can grow 6 plants in a 2x3 square, like you can put outside.
Add Workshop access to the Lobby of an apartment, as well as an interactive door to non-FC houses that can access a Workshop. Make it less than an FC if you want. 1 ship, 1 sub, etc.

Do that and things wouldn't be so bad.

[Jojoya]

Second, the click system to get a house needs to go. Players are to blame, because they abused the system. But SE needs to come up with something better.

It is not "Players are to blame". It is "A few players who chose to exploit the system share blame". Don't lump everyone together because not everyone is exploiting the system.

No one would have been abusing or exploiting anything if SE had chosen a system that would meet supply demands in the first place.

[Sotaris]

Or maybe just be happy you have a house already and stop screwing over house hunters?

Relocation is the only way to able to upgrade your size. Relocation is not the problem, timer is.

Way to misquote me. Other players shouldn't be given the opportunity to interfere with my playing. All this talk about "undesirable" plots is ridiculous. Instead of being happy they've succeeded at the RNG fest that is housing, people insist they are owed a better location, even at the expense of other players.

You and literally every player, who want a house would take the oppertunity in a heartbeat to strike a better deal (aka relocate to a more desired plot/size). Get off your high horse.

I think it's greedy and rude, and you're not going to convince me otherwise I guess some people were never taught to share.

Humans is greedy and rude. Welcome to life.

[Almagnus1]

It is not "Players are to blame". It is "A few players who chose to exploit the system share blame". Don't lump everyone together because not everyone is exploiting the system.

No one would have been abusing or exploiting anything if SE had chosen a system that would meet supply demands in the first place.

Also, if SE made it a lot harder to abuse/exploit the system a lot of the issues we see would be of much lower severity.... that said, supply is still a problem and I'm not sure that can be fixed without bringing online another EU and NA datacenter IN ADDITION TO the Oceanic DC.

[Catstab]

EU and NA datacenter.

EU world populations are about half what NAs are. You're sure sure right about NA, but JP needs DCs more than EU does. Arguably EU has too many, a few of them are still basically ghost towns.

[Sotaris]

Arguably EU has too many, a few of them are still basically ghost towns.

The data would disagree. We only have 1 data center, split into two subs with Shb and both Light and Chaos is well balanced populated.

But we don't need another dc. At least not right now.