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[Diorik]

Good for you. I'm about 5 DR runs in and they've taken about 35 minutes each, and that's with most people not using essences. I've recently decided that I'll probably just main GNB, and Reaper once the expansion hits, so I only need 1 relic.

Good luck with your imaginary war against "the problem." I'm sure it will amount to a lot of time well spent. I'll just get my relic and then not do Bozja anymore.

I mean, it literally has amounted to time well spent, I've coached you through this twice already, but here's the third: Spend a modicum of time grinding for essences, run DRNs much faster by grouping with other people willing to come prepared, spend significantly less over all time grinding for the relic(s). And then use your extra time to post at people on the forums who don't understand basic concepts like math, I guess.

Improving your own damage still reduces the over all run time. That's like, the whole concept in play here. The more people who actually come prepared to do the content, the more time everyone saves.

[Goji1639]

I mean, it literally has amounted to time well spent, I've coached you through this twice already, but here's the third: Spend a modicum of time grinding for essences, run DRNs much faster by grouping with other people willing to come prepared, spend significantly less over all time grinding for the relic(s). And then use your extra time to post at people on the forums who don't understand basic concepts like math, I guess.

Improving your own damage still reduces the over all run time. That's like, the whole concept in play here. The more people who actually come prepared to do the content, the more time everyone saves.

I literally JUST told you why I'm not using PF, so I don't know why you keep pushing it and acting like the problem is "I don't understand Math." I'm... using... DF... and... farming... essences... for... DF... is... pointless.

Improving my own damage improves the overall run time by a trivial amount. Spending an hour farming to shave a few minutes off of a few DR runs isn't a win for me.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I mean, it literally has amounted to time well spent, I've coached you through this twice already, but here's the third: Spend a modicum of time grinding for essences, run DRNs much faster by grouping with other people willing to come prepared, spend significantly less over all time grinding for the relic(s). And then use your extra time to post at people on the forums who don't understand basic concepts like math, I guess.

Improving your own damage still reduces the over all run time. That's like, the whole concept in play here. The more people who actually come prepared to do the content, the more time everyone saves.

Why is nobody here getting the "fun" part? If you don't have fun doing cluster farm, or any other method for getting those essences. But you still have fun in a longer DR run? Where is the problem for me or anyone else with similar attitude.

I farmed clusters to get the emotes, the mount is a derpy joke that I don't like since in general I don't like the machines in this game. I don't want the new hairstyle I think it is hideous and what I did want I now have. Just did a duty finder DR run took about 35mins, some use essence some don't. But I had fun with my FC members, a couple were first timing. Really not getting why you get so worked up over people not doing what suits YOU best. It's not the agreed upon "bare minimum" others have said, if it was there would be no discussion at all. It's like, there is party finder why not stop whining and use it? I don't que Diamond weapon in DF and expect it to be super efficient for me to farm it at speed. So why exactly do you expect it for bozja content? It is duty finder, it will ALWAYS be slower than a premade group.

I shall carry on my slow grind, enjoying myself. When I get an essence I will use it. Some I am keeping for savage.. and frankly that SO many people are still arguing with one person over how butt hurt they are people dare not play how they want instead is laughable. Idc what is most efficient, I care myself and my friends are having fun.

[Nethereal]

Why is nobody here getting the "fun" part? If you don't have fun doing cluster farm, or any other method for getting those essences. But you still have fun in a longer DR run? Where is the problem for me or anyone else with similar attitude.

I farmed clusters to get the emotes, the mount is a derpy joke that I don't like since in general I don't like the machines in this game. I don't want the new hairstyle I think it is hideous and what I did want I now have. Just did a duty finder DR run took about 35mins, some use essence some don't. But I had fun with my FC members, a couple were first timing. Really not getting why you get so worked up over people not doing what suits YOU best. It's not the agreed upon "bare minimum" others have said, if it was there would be no discussion at all. It's like, there is party finder why not stop whining and use it? I don't que Diamond weapon in DF and expect it to be super efficient for me to farm it at speed. So why exactly do you expect it for bozja content? It is duty finder, it will ALWAYS be slower than a premade group.

I shall carry on my slow grind, enjoying myself. When I get an essence I will use it. Some I am keeping for savage.. and frankly that SO many people are still arguing with one person over how butt hurt they are people dare not play how they want instead is laughable. Idc what is most efficient, I care myself and my friends are having fun.

That's fine, you don't have fun farming for clusters, cool don't farm for clusters. It would be nice if you bought them to help everyone else but no biggy.

The issue is when you start using mental gymnastics to deny you are actively taking a role in increasing how long everything is taking and actively deny that you personally not using essences does not impact how long something will take.

You don't like to farm/won't buy clusters? Then you're personally increasing how long this DR is going to be for yourself and everyone else this is a team game and not everyone has the same amount of time allotted to them so we should do the bare minimum of respect and help each other out as human beings, you don't want to or don't care to? That's fine own it.

"Speed run" DR in PF takes 30 minutes if that, DR in DF will usually take 45 minutes and up. You not being a part of the solution is fine, but don't deny you're a part of the problem.

The issue isn't clusters or essences, it's the mindset behind the people who don't get/use them. They like to hide behind semantics, sophistry, flawed logic, and moral grandeur.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

SNIP.

I never once denied that my not using an essence slows down the raid. On my own it won't amount to much but half and half, sure it will take longer. My point is I don't give a damn how long that DR takes me. I will do what is enjoyable for me, thus if I have one I use it.. if I don't I won't and I am not gonna buy them when I am busy trying to hit my first 100mill gil. People say I am looking for a carry to though and I am not. If not a single person in my duty run uses an essence... I am ok with that xD It will take however long it takes. I know when I hit the button to go into the duty it could take 45mins or so. And I don't complain and berate others for it's speed. Some people are perma dead with their essence, while me without never dies. I am "'speeding things up' more than they are.

I have said many times at this point. I have no problem. People wanting a faster clear do have a problem and the PF groups are the solution. You will never get a super fast run consistenly in duty finder. First timers are there, people who have lower capabilities in general are there. It is stupid to go in and then get mad that people are not doing what u want to get you a fast clear, esp where you have an avenue to get the efficient farm you need.

You point out that not everyone has a great amount of time. That much is true! But if you don't have 45mins to do the duty, don't que for it! Your or others lack of time is not my problem to solve. I own that as you say. I don't lose my sh*t in a league of legends match when the game goes long, because I know it can happen and it is MY responsibility to manage my time properly. When I do eventually get to a point where I feel I just want to bang out those runs I will go into PF and use the essences I have for the various jobs I have em for. I would say the bare minimum of respect is my doing my best to do my dps rotation, keep my party alive as healer and not afk and leech or do grief pulls what have you. I have work, studies, a very excitable dog as well as an elder to care for. I am a busy girl! But I don't go into content via duty finder if I am not sure I will have the time for it.

I'm not morally superior. But I am pointing out that people have the option to make the runs better for themselves, people are responsible for their own time and they cannot do a damn thing to change how others act and calling them leeches, trolls etc is pointless. Even if the moaning encouraged a few people to use those essences, it is not done for the right reasons, shaming people for not playing how you want them too is a douche move.

[Nethereal]

I never once denied that my not using an essence slows down the raid. On my own it won't amount to much but half and half, sure it will take longer. My point is I don't give a damn how long that DR takes me. I will do what is enjoyable for me, thus if I have one I use it.. if I don't I won't and I am not gonna buy them when I am busy trying to hit my first 100mill gil. People say I am looking for a carry to though and I am not. If not a single person in my duty run uses an essence... I am ok with that xD It will take however long it takes. I know when I hit the button to go into the duty it could take 45mins or so. And I don't complain and berate others for it's speed. Some people are perma dead with their essence, while me without never dies. I am "'speeding things up' more than they are.

I have said many times at this point. I have no problem. People wanting a faster clear do have a problem and the PF groups are the solution. You will never get a super fast run consistenly in duty finder. First timers are there, people who have lower capabilities in general are there. It is stupid to go in and then get mad that people are not doing what u want to get you a fast clear, esp where you have an avenue to get the efficient farm you need.

You point out that not everyone has a great amount of time. That much is true! But if you don't have 45mins to do the duty, don't que for it! Your or others lack of time is not my problem to solve. I own that as you say. I don't lose my sh*t in a league of legends match when the game goes long, because I know it can happen and it is MY responsibility to manage my time properly. When I do eventually get to a point where I feel I just want to bang out those runs I will go into PF and use the essences I have for the various jobs I have em for. I would say the bare minimum of respect is my doing my best to do my dps rotation, keep my party alive as healer and not afk and leech or do grief pulls what have you. I have work, studies, a very excitable dog as well as an elder to care for. I am a busy girl! But I don't go into content via duty finder if I am not sure I will have the time for it.

I'm not morally superior. But I am pointing out that people have the option to make the runs better for themselves, people are responsible for their own time and they cannot do a damn thing to change how others act and calling them leeches, trolls etc is pointless. Even if the moaning encouraged a few people to use those essences, it is not done for the right reasons, shaming people for not playing how you want them too is a douche move.

I wasn't calling you out specifically in any of that It was in response to your:

Why is nobody here getting the "fun" part?

We get it but people don't want to own it. You admitting its not fun and you don't want to do it is entirely valid its when you start getting people who will hide and hide and once you eventually boil them down they'll finally admit they just don't care.

If you don't want to farm just say you don't want to farm because it's not fun and you don't care. If you don't want to buy clusters just say you don't want to buy clusters because they're personally not worth my gil and currently are getting in the way of my goal to save gil. These are all valid opinions and choices to have and to hold. You don't want to do it that's fine.

What's not fine is when people start pretending essences don't make or break how long a DR run will be, diminish the value of them due to their ignorance, constantly use mental gymnastics and flawed logic to try and bend a conversation in their favor, and run themselves and other people in circles with absolutely no evidence to back their claim simply because they don't like to own the reality of what their choices entail.