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[Goji1639]

Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

Making your own group requires a lot of work, so that kind of defeats the purpose of doing the least amount of effort.

Besides, we're allowed to queue without essences, so why wouldn't we? The "elitists" are the ones who can only reach their goals by forming their own groups, so they probably should.

[Vahlnir]

Making your own group requires a lot of work, so that kind of defeats the purpose of doing the least amount of effort.

Besides, we're allowed to queue without essences, so why wouldn't we? The "elitists" are the ones who can only reach their goals by forming their own groups, so they probably should.

People are free to do what they want if the content allows it, but I do think that they should know that they could be doing more damage to contribute, or at the very least use an essence that increases HP or something. Something is better than nothing, especially when the content is scaled for essence use. That's my entire point at least. I won't harass anyone in game about it. Heck, I probably wouldn't say anything. But it's obvious what an essenceless run looks like compared to a run where everyone is decked out in some sort of essence.

I'll stay right where I am thanks. On my own feet, laughing at you being so upset that I dare not use an essence for every run. My last run I was the only one in my group with any healing. I'm the one that kept that whole party alive. Imagine the speed difference if they were all perma dead, essences or not. I believe you might be able to remove the thing lodged up ur arse if you go into a party finder like many I know do to get themselves those speedy runs.

If you que for any duty in this game that is open to everyone, you will get people of varying skill level and commitment. If you cannot deal I suggest you get some friends and go run it with them. Because you can moan and act as superior as you want. It's not gonna change.

You do you! Seriously. But you could, and should, be doing a lot more if you had an essence equipped. Again, that's my entire point. I feel that everyone should be contributing in this way. Makes life easier for everyone is all. I just never expect it, much to my own dismay.

[Goji1639]

People are free to do what they want if the content allows it, but I do think that they should know that they could be doing more damage to contribute, or at the very least use an essence that increases HP or something. Something is better than nothing, especially when the content is scaled for essence use. That's my entire point at least. I won't harass anyone in game about it. Heck, I probably wouldn't say anything. But it's obvious what an essenceless run looks like compared to a run where everyone is decked out in some sort of essence.

Nothing wrong with informing, and I am aware that most of the raid using essences vs. not using essences makes a real difference. 1 person doesn't, though, especially if that person is a DPS, because skirmisher isn't the massive DPS increase that the tank and healer essences are.

What you should try to understand, though, is a lot of people are essentially doing Bozja because it's holding their relic hostage. Expecting real commitment is unrealistic; it may just be enough that the relic is keeping this content alive for the people who like it, even if it's doing so by forcing the non-committed to grit their teeth and bear whatever minimum they have to suffer through.

[SturmChurro]

It's too bad clicking the queue or register button isn't too much "work" for players who won't bother, and seemingly have no care for the rest of the players in the instance.

I will literally never understand why some players might justify wasting not only their own time, but everyone elses too. I think it's a very rude mindset, but that's just my opinion on the matter.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

It's too bad clicking the queue or register button isn't too much "work" for players who won't bother, and seemingly have no care for the rest of the players in the instance.

I will literally never understand why some players might justify wasting not only their own time, but everyone elses too. I think it's a very rude mindset, but that's just my opinion on the matter.

I will literally never understand someone who complains about others not making enough effort. But simultaneously will not put in the effort themselves to get what they want, ie join pf. Oh the irony! Everyone else put more effort in because I want to be able to hit que and have every person in that instance using all essences at all times or I am not satisfied!! I shouldn't have to join a PF specifically made for speed runs! YOU should do what I want because I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE EFFORT. Just... lol

If we are enjoying ourselves it is not a waste of our time. If you find that you are not enjoying yourself, maybe put in the effort to make it enjoyable?

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

Because people who are chill and playing at their own pace use the duty que. You will get every person of every capability in there. When I go to do savage I don't do it with randoms I go with FC mates and friends. You put yourself in a situation where you have no control over other people, who you do it with and how THEY play. Then proceed to whine about it instead of using your own agency to make your play time better for yourselves. YOU have the problem and you expect others to comply with you. Get over yourself.

[Caurcas]

It's not just a 20% increase in damage. Let's look at the irregular and deep irregular essences. These increase tank damage output about ~90% iirc off the top of my head. That's an insane increase of dps, and makes tank throw out dps level numbers. More than essenceless dps. Similar essences exist for healers. People using these easily can cut a DR run from 45 minutes to 25 easy.

[Caurcas]

No, it's not a problem for everyone involved. I have said already I am chill and don't mind at all if it takes 20mins or 40mins. So again, if you want to speed run... Go into the many party finders that provide just that instead of bitching? You being in a rush is not my problem, I owe you nothing. You wanna do all 15 asap, cool. I am happy chilling at my own pace. It's on everyone to kill the bosses, that's it, anything else is your personal fee fees. If you don't have the time for a 40min run I suggest not queing the normal way and joining the speed runners.

I have said before, I pot when I have them or if I feel like try harding my dps for funsies. But if I wanna do a run where I am chill and listening to some music or half watching some anime? That's my prerogative to do so

And you drag 23 other players down while reaping the benefits and contributing nothing. This is the problem with 14.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

And you drag 23 other players down while reaping the benefits and contributing nothing. This is the problem with 14.

Nothing? Sorry didn't realise me using all my combos etc counted as nothing? I dance partner, dot w/e depending which job I choose to go in as. I contribute. Just because it's not enough for YOU does not mean it is nothing. You have avenues available to you to get fast clears, if u won't take the initiative to take part in those things, that's a you problem. It's not a 14 problem, it's a "You don't play how I find acceptable" problem Aka a YOU problem. Get over it sweets.

[Vahlnir]

And you drag 23 other players down

I actually almost hate myself for saying this but you would be mostly correct on this specific thing...within the context of this thread. Not using an essence is actually detrimental to the group as a whole. Now I've done it before when I was low on essences, but I am also fairly confident in my own abilities to at least partially make up for it. If I'm on RDM, I spend a lot of time raising people, usually in my own group, for example. lol There are ways to contribute without them, but overall it's really not recommended to not use one at all. The pros vastly outweigh the cons.