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[Diorik]

I'd be willing to bet the people who lost it when someone mentioned a mental disorder are the same people who upvoted this string of pointless personal attacks. Now, let's continue debating which side is more toxic.

Fact still remains that essences are a luxury, not a necessity. People don't pentameld and show up with high level food/pots for normal raids either, even though I'm sure if you actually compared a worst and best case scenario it would be pretty dramatic. Fact is nobody owes you a bunch of extra time spent farming, or extra gil spent on external boosts. There is no "problem" to be part of; just a bunch of people who want to make demands in a DF group, instead of in a PF group like they're supposed to.

Pures in DRN are the prisoner's dilemma. If everyone (or most people) actually did their job and spent a modicum of time grinding for pures, and then showed up for DRN and blew it up, everyone would end up saving time overall.

But this attitude causes people to just show up hoping for a carry while 1 or 2 people actually carry the load, creating single DRN runs that take 5x as long as they should have and of course that makes the people who actually came prepared upset. Lest you think I'm exaggerating on 5x, with just essences and no one going completely wild Trinity Avowed kill time is around 2 minutes. I've been on DF runs that take 10+ minutes.

But, the one thing you're right about, is that's why no one who actually wants to try and play with accountability should use DF.

[MilkieTea]

Nah, but I'll admit I want to make my life easier.

No one here has made any kind of case for the idea that farming essences would actually save me time, because there is no case to be made. It would change virtually nothing about the duration of my DR runs.

The case you're all making is that I owe that extra expense and effort to some obscure, esoteric sense of obligation I have to "the big picture" in Bozja. I don't even like Bozja, so I find that whole premise hilarious.

A 60% DPS boost from one person will save you time. But I guess math is hard when you shoot yourself in the foot - can't focus because of the pain, and all that.
You think you're saving time and making life easier by taking the wheelchair ramp, but you're only giving yourself more work and wasting time.

[Diorik]

Nah, but I'll admit I want to make my life easier.

No one here has made any kind of case for the idea that farming essences would actually save me time, because there is no case to be made. It would change virtually nothing about the duration of my DR runs.

The case you're all making is that I owe that extra expense and effort to some obscure, esoteric sense of obligation I have to "the big picture" in Bozja. I don't even like Bozja, so I find that whole premise hilarious.

If everyone spent 30 minutes grinding clusters and got say, 3 pures in that time, that's 3 DRN runs that would EACH take 20-30 minutes less. The math here isn't hard to understand at all. It literally would take up LESS of your time to grind and then run DRN prepared, than it takes to refuse to prepare and spend 45+ minutes per DRN run.

[Goji1639]

If everyone spent 30 minutes grinding clusters and got say, 3 pures in that time, that's 3 DRN runs that would EACH take 20-30 minutes less. The math here isn't hard to understand at all. It literally would take up LESS of your time to grind and then run DRN prepared, than it takes to refuse to prepare and spend 45+ minutes per DRN run.

"If everyone" is a pointless parallel to draw. I can't make everyone do anything, so I don't care what things could theoretically be like if everyone was farming essences. The only difference my farming essences would make is the 20% damage boost I'd personally get if I had skirmisher essences to spare, and that amounts to virtually nothing.

I'm prepared to spend 45+ in DRN regardless, me spending hours or 400k gil trying to get a stockpile of skirmisher essences won't change that. The situation in DF is what it is. If you want to waste time farming and then moan here about how it STILL takes forever then go nuts, but it's not a good use of my time.

[Diorik]

"If everyone" is a pointless parallel to draw. I can't make everyone do anything, so I don't care what things could theoretically be like if everyone was farming essences. The only difference my farming essences would make is the 20% damage boost I'd personally get if I had skirmisher essences to spare, and that amounts to virtually nothing.

I'm prepared to spend 45+ in DRN regardless, me spending hours or 400k gil trying to get a stockpile of skirmisher essences won't change that. The situation in DF is what it is. If you want to waste time farming and then moan here about how it STILL takes forever then go nuts, but it's not a good use of my time.

You realize you can just grind clusters, like I said, for 30 minutes or less and get multiple Pures which are far stronger than a Deep Skirmisher, right? If you're prepared to spend 45+ minutes in a single DRN, surely you can spare that in Bozja once in a while and then join several 20 minute DRN speed runs instead. Again, the math here trivially checks out in your favor.

[Goji1639]

You realize you can just grind clusters, like I said, for 30 minutes or less and get multiple Pures which are far stronger than a Deep Skirmisher, right? If you're prepared to spend 45+ minutes in a single DRN, surely you can spare that in Bozja once in a while and then join several 20 minute DRN speed runs instead. Again, the math here trivially checks out in your favor.

I'm using DF; I have no interest in relying on PF speed runs being available at a lot of the random times I'm able to play. The convenience and constant availability of DF trumps whatever time I might save by farming and tracking down speed runs. My position is that farming essences for DF runs is pointless, so I'm not going to bother.

[Diorik]

"I'm going to be a part of the problem because not everyone is going to be a part of the solution" is certainly a stance. Good luck to you!

Fortunately, I'm done with DRN because there were speed runs at basically all hours over the weekend and I only wanted two relics.

[Goji1639]

"I'm going to be a part of the problem because not everyone is going to be a part of the solution" is certainly a stance. Good luck to you!

Fortunately, I'm done with DRN because there were speed runs at basically all hours over the weekend and I only wanted two relics.

Good for you. I'm about 5 DR runs in and they've taken about 35 minutes each, and that's with most people not using essences. I've recently decided that I'll probably just main GNB, and Reaper once the expansion hits, so I only need 1 relic.

Good luck with your imaginary war against "the problem." I'm sure it will amount to a lot of time well spent. I'll just get my relic and then not do Bozja anymore.

[Diorik]

Good for you. I'm about 5 DR runs in and they've taken about 35 minutes each, and that's with most people not using essences. I've recently decided that I'll probably just main GNB, and Reaper once the expansion hits, so I only need 1 relic.

Good luck with your imaginary war against "the problem." I'm sure it will amount to a lot of time well spent. I'll just get my relic and then not do Bozja anymore.

I mean, it literally has amounted to time well spent, I've coached you through this twice already, but here's the third: Spend a modicum of time grinding for essences, run DRNs much faster by grouping with other people willing to come prepared, spend significantly less over all time grinding for the relic(s). And then use your extra time to post at people on the forums who don't understand basic concepts like math, I guess.

Improving your own damage still reduces the over all run time. That's like, the whole concept in play here. The more people who actually come prepared to do the content, the more time everyone saves.

[Goji1639]

I mean, it literally has amounted to time well spent, I've coached you through this twice already, but here's the third: Spend a modicum of time grinding for essences, run DRNs much faster by grouping with other people willing to come prepared, spend significantly less over all time grinding for the relic(s). And then use your extra time to post at people on the forums who don't understand basic concepts like math, I guess.

Improving your own damage still reduces the over all run time. That's like, the whole concept in play here. The more people who actually come prepared to do the content, the more time everyone saves.

I literally JUST told you why I'm not using PF, so I don't know why you keep pushing it and acting like the problem is "I don't understand Math." I'm... using... DF... and... farming... essences... for... DF... is... pointless.

Improving my own damage improves the overall run time by a trivial amount. Spending an hour farming to shave a few minutes off of a few DR runs isn't a win for me.