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[MilkieTea]

Nah, but I'll admit I want to make my life easier.

No one here has made any kind of case for the idea that farming essences would actually save me time, because there is no case to be made. It would change virtually nothing about the duration of my DR runs.

The case you're all making is that I owe that extra expense and effort to some obscure, esoteric sense of obligation I have to "the big picture" in Bozja. I don't even like Bozja, so I find that whole premise hilarious.

A 60% DPS boost from one person will save you time. But I guess math is hard when you shoot yourself in the foot - can't focus because of the pain, and all that.
You think you're saving time and making life easier by taking the wheelchair ramp, but you're only giving yourself more work and wasting time.

[Diorik]

Nah, but I'll admit I want to make my life easier.

No one here has made any kind of case for the idea that farming essences would actually save me time, because there is no case to be made. It would change virtually nothing about the duration of my DR runs.

The case you're all making is that I owe that extra expense and effort to some obscure, esoteric sense of obligation I have to "the big picture" in Bozja. I don't even like Bozja, so I find that whole premise hilarious.

If everyone spent 30 minutes grinding clusters and got say, 3 pures in that time, that's 3 DRN runs that would EACH take 20-30 minutes less. The math here isn't hard to understand at all. It literally would take up LESS of your time to grind and then run DRN prepared, than it takes to refuse to prepare and spend 45+ minutes per DRN run.

[CKNovel]

Nah, but I'll admit I want to make my life easier.

Do we need to go further?
There's no "I" in "Team".

And this is a team game.

[Diorik]

I'd be willing to bet the people who lost it when someone mentioned a mental disorder are the same people who upvoted this string of pointless personal attacks. Now, let's continue debating which side is more toxic.

Fact still remains that essences are a luxury, not a necessity. People don't pentameld and show up with high level food/pots for normal raids either, even though I'm sure if you actually compared a worst and best case scenario it would be pretty dramatic. Fact is nobody owes you a bunch of extra time spent farming, or extra gil spent on external boosts. There is no "problem" to be part of; just a bunch of people who want to make demands in a DF group, instead of in a PF group like they're supposed to.

Pures in DRN are the prisoner's dilemma. If everyone (or most people) actually did their job and spent a modicum of time grinding for pures, and then showed up for DRN and blew it up, everyone would end up saving time overall.

But this attitude causes people to just show up hoping for a carry while 1 or 2 people actually carry the load, creating single DRN runs that take 5x as long as they should have and of course that makes the people who actually came prepared upset. Lest you think I'm exaggerating on 5x, with just essences and no one going completely wild Trinity Avowed kill time is around 2 minutes. I've been on DF runs that take 10+ minutes.

But, the one thing you're right about, is that's why no one who actually wants to try and play with accountability should use DF.

[LittleImp]

I'd be willing to bet the people who lost it when someone mentioned a mental disorder are the same people who upvoted this string of pointless personal attacks. Now, let's continue debating which side is more toxic.

Fact still remains that essences are a luxury, not a necessity. People don't pentameld and show up with high level food/pots for normal raids either, even though I'm sure if you actually compared a worst and best case scenario it would be pretty dramatic. Fact is nobody owes you a bunch of extra time spent farming, or extra gil spent on external boosts. There is no "problem" to be part of; just a bunch of people who want to make demands in a DF group, instead of in a PF group like they're supposed to.

Pro-tip to anyone newer to the forums:

The second the legendary Goji1639 takes your side on any argument, you can very safely assume you're on the wrong side.

I would have more respect for your type if you just openly admitted you were okay with taking advantage of other peoples time, rather than repeatedly making attempts to frame yourselves as victims.

[Goji1639]

Pro-tip to anyone newer to the forums:

The second the legendary Goji1639 takes your side on any argument, you can very safely assume you're on the wrongs side.

I would have more respect for your type if you just openly admitted you were okay with taking advantage of other peoples time, rather than repeatedly making attempts to frame yourselves as victims.

Legendary, eh. Are you coming onto me?

I was just pointing out the irony of you delicate flowers becoming aghast when someone suggested speed runners have some kind of ADHD like mental disorder, but you calling people who don't use essences "morally defective, sociopathic losers" gets a standing ovation here.

But I didn't intend to interrupt; you all please continue ranting about how "toxic" the other side is.

[Nethereal]

Legendary, eh. Are you coming onto me?

I was just pointing out the irony of you delicate flowers becoming aghast when someone suggested speed runners have some kind of ADHD like mental disorder, but you calling people who don't use essences "morally defective, sociopathic losers" gets a standing ovation here.

But I didn't intend to interrupt; you all please continue ranting about how "toxic" the other side is.

I haven't seen anyone say anything about being "morally defective" for not using essences but I'll also say you're not morally defective for not using essences.

You are however using severe mental gymnastics for no reason and can't admit to the results of basic simple math and logic. That's a little too much irony to let go when you're the first person to bring up "bad logic"

[LittleImp]

Legendary, eh. Are you coming onto me?

I was just pointing out the irony of you delicate flowers becoming aghast when someone suggested speed runners have some kind of ADHD like mental disorder, but you calling people who don't use essences "morally defective, sociopathic losers" gets a standing ovation here.

But I didn't intend to interrupt; you all please continue ranting about how "toxic" the other side is.

These kind of moral framing tricks won't work on me, my actions throughout the years on this game say more than enough about what kind of person I am.

What do yours say about you?

I have no need to masquerade as a fake paragon of morality, because I have no reliant grift and no motive to constantly portray myself as a victim.
I advocate for a culture of mutual respect in which players bring their best, whatever it may be. If a player is truly weak for reasons beyond their control, I don't mind being the strength to their weakness.

But weakness by choice is pathetic, particularly when the time and ambitions of other people hang in the balance. Weakness by choice is a complete moral defect, and its endorsement is a harmful act. Do you think someone who intentionally chooses to be weak is a 'winner'? Do you think someone who engages in anti-social behavior without remorse isn't showing border-line sociopathic traits?

Every time a thread of this nature comes up, you folks are given the tools to solve your problem, only to repeatedly backpedal until you admit you simply don't care.
I stand by my words, emphatically.

[Awha]

Legendary, eh. Are you coming onto me?

I was just pointing out the irony of you delicate flowers becoming aghast when someone suggested speed runners have some kind of ADHD like mental disorder, but you calling people who don't use essences "morally defective, sociopathic losers" gets a standing ovation here.

But I didn't intend to interrupt; you all please continue ranting about how "toxic" the other side is.

Hey I the ASPD group is not so bad. You can hang out with me we have cookies.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

All jokes aside, I don't see how anyone can look at a WHM using the proper essences, dealing over twice the amount of damage they normally do, and say "Oh that's just a small damage increase, not worth it".

I mean, I’ve seen a few who thinks that a Profane WHM was sitting on top of enmity list after their MT because they thought they’re overhealing in DRn(something that their co-healer actually did). Of course, it was ridiculed subtly after.

If those can’t even read properly I’m inclined to believe such person you referred isn’t so far fetched.